[bksvol-discuss] Re: tabs bullets and plank pages

  • From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:54:51 -0700 (PDT)

Many, many thanks for that info, Lissi.  I may try
two, if I have to space, and if it looks too little
I'll go back to three.

Cindy


-- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Cindy and Gerald,
> 
> An indentation of any number of spaces between 2 and
> 5 signal a new 
> paragraph in my lifelong experience of reading and
> teaching braille. 
> Indenting 2 spaces is standard for hand transcribing
> to save space, but 
> braille readers can adapt to 3, 4, or 5 space
> indents without giving it a 
> second thought.
> 
> HTh
> 
> Lissi
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:47 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: tabs bullets and plank
> pages
> 
> 
> > Cindy,
> >
> > It doesn't look like anyone else is going to
> tackle your question, so I'll
> > give it a shot.
> >
> > The points you are talking about is how far the
> cursor is from the left 
> > side
> > of the page and would be the same if you are
> manually indenting by a tab 
> > or
> > spaces.  From what you said in your message,
> though, it sounds like you're
> > using a tab to indent the paragraph, and from what
> others have said, the 
> > tab
> > will be stripped, so the question of indenting by
> 0.25 or 0.5 in the case 
> > of
> > tabs doesn't matter.  If you start indenting using
> spaces, then I'd say 
> > use
> > 0.5 to make it easier for members reading the book
> visually since 
> > Bookshare
> > is for people with a print disability, not a
> visual disability.  You'd be 
> > a
> > better judge of how much space is needed to
> recognize the paragraphs 
> > easily
> > visually, though.  As for Braille users, I would
> expect the Braille
> > translater to reduce the number of spaces to the
> appropriate number for
> > Braille.  Perhaps it doesn't, though.  Maybe
> another volunteer who uses
> > Braille like Kellie can give us the answer.  Since
> we're unsure at this
> > time, if 0.25 is adequate for you to recognize the
> beginning of a 
> > paragraph
> > in Print Preview or the Print View, then I'd say
> go with it.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:19 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: tabs bullets and
> plank pages
> >
> >
> > Shelley et al,
> >
> > Are spaces the same as points in Word? I've been
> > shortening my paragraph tabs, when I can't skip
> lines
> > between paragraphs, to .25 instead of the default
> .5,
> > because the latter seemed so large. Is a large
> indent
> > better than a shorter one? Should I use .5, which
> I
> > think is 5 letter spaces, instead of 3?  Which is
> > better for Braille users? (I should have asked
> this
> > before, I guess. Sorry).
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > -- juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> >> /a Tab is usually six spaces, though I have seen
> >> some that are five.
> >>
> >> Bullets do come out in braille.
> >>
> >>
> >> Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden
> >> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> >> Graduate Advisory Council
> >> www.guidedogs.com
> >>
> >> The vision must be followed by the venture. It is
> >> not enough to
> >> stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs.
> >>
> >>       -- Vance Havner
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck"
> >> <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:46 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] tabs bullets and plank
> >> pages
> >>
> >>
> >> I am preparing to upload something that I really
> >> don't want messed up.  I
> >> am concerned about several issues.
> >>
> >> First, I didn't know about the Kurzweil issue
> that
> >> may cause blank pages to
> >> disappear from RTFs when I edited the book.  Now
> I
> >> don't know of a very
> >> easy way to go through the book to find the blank
> >> pages and insert
> >> something like the page number or [picture].  I
> >> don't want the blank pages
> >> to disappear because the page numbering is
> perfect
> >> and will be even without
> >> DAISY tags since the first scanned page is
> actually
> >> page 1 in this case.
> >> Does anyone have any ideas?  The only thing I can
> >> think of is to upload in
> >> KES format, but that will limit who could work on
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Second, the book contains useful tabs, which
> >> conversion will remove.  I
> >> just don't know how many spaces to replace the
> tabs
> >> with.  I really am
> >> discusted by that problem, since tabs should be a
> >> valid and recognized
> >> character.  The problem is really bookshare's
> issue
> >> and it should be fixed
> >> sometime during their improvement process.  For
> now
> >> i would just like a
> >> number of spaces that would be most likely to
> work
> >> okay.
> >>
> >> Third, has anyone ever seen a bullet in a DAISY
> or
> >> BRF file?  If anyone has
> >> reason to believe that they do not come out
> >> correctly, can you give me a
> >> suggestion of a character to use instead of the
> >> bullets?  Unfortunately
> >> star will not work that well in this case.  There
> >> are too many used for
> >> footnotes and I don't really want to give them a
> >> double purpose.
> >>
> >> This book will most likely cause copyright
> >> questions, but I wrote an
> >> extensive comment that i hope the validator can
> pass
> >> on to admin to get the
> >> book pushed through the first time. :-)
> >>
> >> The book is called "What Does the Bible Really
> >> Teach?"  And is really ment
> >> to be like a textbook that answers specific Bible
> >> questions by explaining
> >> illustrating, and providing large numbers of
> >> specific Bible verses to
> >> support the reasoning presented.  To someone not
> >> used to the blabbing of
> >> Bible citations by a synthesizer it could be
> >> annoying. :-)  I hope they
> >> don't come out strangely after translation.
> >> Each page has a number of numbered paragraphs and
> >> corresponding questions
> >> at the bottom of the page.  Not perfect for BRF
> >> format, but I really
> >> couldn't do anything about it within this
> lifetime.
> >>
> >> Please write if you have any suggestions or if
> you
> >> would be willing to be a
> >> careful validator for this book.  With careful I
> >> only mean putting it
> >> through as little conversion or other steps that
> >> might introduce errors as
> >> possible.  It shouldn't need much editing because
> I
> >> was about as careful as
> >> I could be while reading it, and i also had help
> >> from my husband when I
> >> came accross problem spots.  As always, I make no
> >> claims of perfection,
> >> though. :-)
> >>
> >> Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> >> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
> >>
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