[bksvol-discuss] Re: submit better copy

  • From: "Kenneth Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:11:57 -0400

Let's begin by eliminating all books that don't have page numbers needed by anyone doing teaching or research. Of Course, I'm being sarcastic, but only to make the point that one person's criterion for excellence may differ from that of another. For example, books with lots of foreign words and phrases may have low ratings, but still carry valuable information. And even the Library of Congress Braille book Paradise Lost has some very serious errors, though I do not advocate its being removed from the Braille collection.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: submit better copy



Right, Pratik. The point I intended to make--(and I
don't seem to be doing a good job of making my points
clearly these days--must be the heat getting to me
smile) is that even with the K rank spelling, that
might have caused the submitter or validator to think
he/she had an excellent product, one can't always be
sure because of the things it won't catch, such as
words missing from sentences, in complete sentences,
etc. So it isn't always the submitter's or validator's
fault. As you point out, some people--maybe even
many--rely on the ranked spelling and don't read
through the book. So if someone downloads even an
excellent book and finds it not to be so and wants to
re-submit, they should. And a validator who downloads
a supposedly excellent book might want to at least
skim, if not read, the book to see if it is indeed
excellent or had incomplete sentences or missing words
and not just assume that the scanner did more than a
ranked spelling. smile

Cindy

--- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Cindy,

There may be several factors as to why some books
are rated excellent when
they shouldn't be.  The rating scale is subjective;
what you might consider
excellent may mean something quite different to
someone else.  And, there is
also the fact that not everyone has access to K1K
and its rank spelling
feature.  As Bookshare's bolunteer process does not
ask validators to comb
through the book, as many of us do, it is quite
difficult to predict what
the cause for mislabeled book is.

Pratik


-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:41 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: submit better copy

Thanks, Jake. That's what I thought. I admit that I
don't read posts that seem to have information that
would not relate to what I do, but that is the
impressson I'd gained from what I did read about
K1000's ranking--which might explain why some books
are rated Excellent or good and really aren't. smile
and sigh

Cindy

--- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Cindy,
>
> As we've discussed before, Kurzweil 1000 merely
has
> a few more approaches to
> using a standard spell checker than does other
> programs. Rank Spelling for
> instance, simply orders the words the spell
checker
> finds by the number of
> times they occur in the document. There's really
> nothing else different
> about the feature.
>
> So, no, no, no, and no, Kurzweil won't find words
> that are split, words that
> are missing, and will not catch numbers in the
place
> of the letter I when it
> stands alone (ie it's the pronoun, but it would
find
> something like m1ddle).
>
> The quality rater BookShare users is very similar,
> and won't catch any of
> those mistakes either. One of the reasons books
get
> a higher quality rating
> than they might otherwise deserve. Validators
should
> be aware of this and if
> the book contains several areas that have these
> types of mistakes, should
> adjust the rating accordingly. Or, if numerous
> enough, ask themselves why
> they are accepting the book in its current
> condition.
>
> Jake
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] submit better copy
>
>
> > Tracy,
> >
> > I definitely think it would be a good thing for
> you to
> > submit your better copy. Be sure to put a note
in
> the
> > comments section that you've looked at both
copies
> and
> > yours corrects errors that are still in the
other
> > copy.
> >
> > I think sometimes scanners mark books as
excellent
> > when they're not, perhaps because whatever
they're
> > using misleads them--for example, if I
understand
> > correctly, K1000 won't catch errors that are
> correctly
> > spelled but are the wrong word for the context,
or
> the
> > numeral one for a capital I. Will it catch words
> that
> > are missing half if the first half is a word by
> > itself? I'm finding a lot of those in the book
I'm
> > validating now, where words are hyphenated at
the
> end
> > of a line but only the first part of the
> hyphenated
> > word is in the scan and it's a word, e.g., "day"
> but
> > the second part, "light" is missing, I'm
> > assuming,perhaps incorrectly, that K1000 won't
> count
> > that as an error. And what about words that are
> > missing altogether? Again, in the book I'm
> validating
> > now, there are a lot of those. Presumably the
> scanner
> > didn't hold down the book at the binding (it's
> over
> > 900 pages and heavy and would ve difficult to
do)
> so
> > several words at the ends of sentences are
> missing.
> > Would K1000 give such a book a lower rating, or
> does
> > it just catch spelling errors?
> >
> > And please, no one suggest that I reject this
> book.
> > It's an interesting and worthwhile book to have
in
> the
> > collection, and I'm enjoying reading it.
> Correcting as
> > I go along is no problem. I can't imagine anyone
> > rescanning it, but even if they did, it would
have
> to
> > be revalidated, and I'm sure the whole process
> would
> > take longer thanit's going to take me to
> perfectit.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > -
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