[bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper and colatteral damage

  • From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:42:49 -0500

I have seriously considered not submitting some books I have scanned just because I thought they would be of little use after the stripper finished with them. I put a lot of work in to what I submit and it is really upsetting to see the final result when my original looked so nice, and that is only a volunteer's view. I also am upset by the messes that I come accross when I am reading, even for pleasure. I use the chapter headings as my MP3 creation breaking points, so if they aren't there I have a big mess!

I don't really like throwing fits, and I won't on this list because it seems to serve little purpose, but the fits are completely justified.

If i submitted a book in DAISY and BRF format instead of in RTF would the normal automated processes be skipped? That is the only thing I can think of to rescue books where the headers, headings, and page numbers are invaluable.

Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper and colatteral damage




Hear, hear!  I agree 200%!

We have been telling the Bookshare staff about our concerns, politely but
firmly, literally for years. Despite all the talk, nothing has changed. I
am beginning to think we need to take stronger action. We ARE volunteers.
We do not have to contribute the thousands of hours we put into this
program. And Bookshare cannot survive without us. Do we need to say we
will have to stop scanning and validating until we know that someone out
there is really listening to us, and taking action? It should not have to
come down to threats and strikes, but many of us are at our wit's end. What
is it going to take to turn off the stripper and stop mangling the books we
work so hard to make available?

Debbie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui" <goldwave@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] stripper and colatteral damage


Good Afternoon:

At the bookshare users meeting at NFB, I made it very clear to Jim (like 
he didn't know already) the issues with the stripper and why i think it
should be removed.

The whole concept of the stripper bothers me, not just the fact it does
more than it's supposed too. 

Its very reason for being agrivates me.
Regular print books have headers, some have footers, that is part of a
print book.
If we want digital copies of print books then, take the good with the bad.
Do not sanitize the book to make it more access technology friendly. The
very fact that is accessible already does that.
If i don't want to read the headers, i can strip them out myself or use my
own automated tool to do so.
However, If by chance I do want them there, I simply do not get that
option with Bookshare!!! 

Words do not do justice to how much this issue ticks me off.

Bottomline, this process does not serve the community that it was designed
to assist. 
-- Rui

>
> From: Mike Pietruk <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2005/07/21 Thu AM 11:00:39 EDT
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper
>
> Pam
>
> agreed! It's inconsistent and unpredictable. And the problems > relative
> to it have been discussed repeatedly.
> The Powers-that-be are all too aware of the damage the stripper has
caused 
> but seem to have shoved it on the back burner probably due to more
> pressing issues to deal with.
> It is a shame that it cannot be dealt with; but Marissa, prior to her
> leaving, pretty much outlined where it stands.
> So I wouldn't expect much change regarding the stripper as any change
> would require some sort of policy change plus programmer action.
> Conceptually, the stripper makes sense; practically, it has been a
dismal 
> failure breading as much (or perhaps even more) than it has repaired.
> It's not our decision as we are volunteers, not decision-makers.
>
>
>
>








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