[bksvol-discuss] Re: some questions

  • From: "gwen tweedy" <gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:34:25 -0500

I was mistaken of  course, but I thought you could find a list of those types 
of things but no such luck I couldn't come up with anything like that.

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  From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx 
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  I suppose that if a book does not have a table of contents you wouldn't find 
it anywhere else either. In fact, I was thinking of a scan in which the table 
of contents was unreadable for some reason or other. If it doesn't have one you 
won't find it at Amazon either.

                                                                                
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  Hi Roger, 

  If a table of contents is listed on the web, wouldn't it then be in the book? 
 If it's in the book, most times, you can use that one to insert missing chapter
  headings, unless the table of contents in the book is in a funky font and 
scanned poorly.  But I suppose it's worth a try to search the web first, but
  I kind of doubt that anyone would create a table of contents for a book that 
didn't originally have one.  I shouldn't knock the idea until I've tried it
  though. 

  Mayrie  

  
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:13 PM
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  Like I said, every now and then I come across a table of contents on the web, 
but it is hit or miss. It might be possible to find one if you google the
  title and author. For the most part you just get reviews and sites selling 
the book that way, but if you have the time to wade through that stuff you just
  might get lucky.

                                                                                
     "If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. 
  " Malcolm X     

               The Militant: 
  http://www.themilitant.com 
  Pathfinder Press: 
  http://www.pathfinderpress.com
  Granma International: 
  http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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  10/27/2009 9:06:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time  
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  HI Gwen, 

  Yes, sometimes knowing where chapter headings should go, and what they should 
say can be tricky.  I haven't found a place online to find out this stuff
  that works for a blind person.  The feature that allows a person to look 
inside a book on Amazon is, unfortunately, not usable by a blind person, at 
least,
  not by me.  I'm pretty sure a geek could do it, but I'm nowhere near being a 
geek!     

  If you are pretty sure that your chapter headings are things like "chapter 1" 
you can figure out where they go, because those pages may have garbled text
  at the top that is obviously not the running header of title or author of the 
book.  So, they can be inserted by the proofreader, if said proofreader can
  determine that a chapter heading is something simple like I said above.  The 
rub comes when chapter headings have actual titles, like little stories. 
  Then sighted assistance is pretty much what we need.     

  As for page numbers not appearing in books, if Bob is looking at books that 
he submitted, knowing that page numbers were in the book, and is using Kurzweil
  to look at the daisy file, Kurzweil doesn't show bookshare's page numbers.  
It's a Kurzweil problem, a sort of inadequacy on their part, but if he were
  to look at the xml file in Internet Explorer, he might well discover that the 
page numbers are indeed in the book. 

  Does any of that answer your questions?  I hope so.  Sorry I don't have a 
better solution for looking inside a book.  I'm pretty sure that every single
  sighted volunteer here has had to help me out with inserting chapter headings 
in books, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate all of them and their
  help! If ever I find a way to find this information by myself, I'll let you 
know.     

  You know, if your local librarians are willing to help, and the library has 
the books you need, and all you need are the pages on which chapter headings
  should start, they might be able to make you a list of chapter headings and 
their respective starting pages.  Just a thought. 

  Mayrie   

  
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  From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:22 PM
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  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] some questions

  Is  there a place on line, where you can find out things for a book like the 
contents of books that kind of thing

  I  know you can wait until you see a sighted person and that is cool but 
wondered if there is such a  place where you can find out things the little 
things
  without sighted help.

  Also Bob thought he heard once, like if it is a text book or an important 
book where things have to be precise but on fiction books if it didn't mess up
  the book some things didn't matter like we've had books before where headings 
weren't there and lots of times the page numbers you don't hear them in a
  book they don't show up when the book comes up and is excepted anyhow because 
of like software or any number of things.

  Because he says he has put up books that he was sure he had the page numbers 
in and stuff and when he has looked at them or brought them down none of those
  things are in there.

  I know you  have to do a good job that kind of thing

  I have even had a person who does not volunteer for bookshare who just reads 
tell me that all that stuff distracts from the book and breaks up the text
  and it bothers him.

  Just thought I'd ask.

  Cause some books no matter what a blind person does some books are grand but 
some books  especially these tiny ones stuff just doesn't come out and this
  is about the 4th time I've gone through this book in fact got so dilligent on 
it that ended up putting up a partial book not sure how that happened but
  it did.

  I'm ready for some new books LOL these same 9 books LOL have been sitting on 
my table for months and I've redone them so many times that wow they are broke
  *smile*  

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