[bksvol-discuss] Re: some questions

  • From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
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  • Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:22:16 EDT

I suppose that if a book does not have a table of contents you wouldn't 
find it anywhere else either. In fact, I was thinking of a scan in which the 
table of contents was unreadable for some reason or other. If it doesn't have 
one you won't find it at Amazon either.

                                                                            
                  "If you don't stand for something you will fall for 
anything. 
" Malcolm X     

                 The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: 
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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Hi Roger, 

If a table of contents is listed on the web, wouldn't it then be in the 
book?  If it's in the book, most times, you can use that one to insert missing 
chapter
headings, unless the table of contents in the book is in a funky font and 
scanned poorly.  But I suppose it's worth a try to search the web first, but
I kind of doubt that anyone would create a table of contents for a book 
that didn't originally have one.  I shouldn't knock the idea until I've tried 
it
though. 

Mayrie  

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Like I said, every now and then I come across a table of contents on the 
web, but it is hit or miss. It might be possible to find one if you google the
title and author. For the most part you just get reviews and sites selling 
the book that way, but if you have the time to wade through that stuff you 
just
might get lucky.

                                                                      
             "If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. 
" Malcolm X     

             The Militant: 
http://www.themilitant.com 
Pathfinder Press: 
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International: 
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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HI Gwen, 

Yes, sometimes knowing where chapter headings should go, and what they 
should say can be tricky.  I haven't found a place online to find out this stuff
that works for a blind person.  The feature that allows a person to look 
inside a book on Amazon is, unfortunately, not usable by a blind person, at 
least,
not by me.  I'm pretty sure a geek could do it, but I'm nowhere near being 
a geek!     

If you are pretty sure that your chapter headings are things like "chapter 
1" you can figure out where they go, because those pages may have garbled 
text
at the top that is obviously not the running header of title or author of 
the book.  So, they can be inserted by the proofreader, if said proofreader 
can
determine that a chapter heading is something simple like I said above.  
The rub comes when chapter headings have actual titles, like little stories. 
Then sighted assistance is pretty much what we need.     

As for page numbers not appearing in books, if Bob is looking at books that 
he submitted, knowing that page numbers were in the book, and is using 
Kurzweil
to look at the daisy file, Kurzweil doesn't show bookshare's page numbers.  
It's a Kurzweil problem, a sort of inadequacy on their part, but if he were
to look at the xml file in Internet Explorer, he might well discover that 
the page numbers are indeed in the book. 

Does any of that answer your questions?  I hope so.  Sorry I don't have a 
better solution for looking inside a book.  I'm pretty sure that every single
sighted volunteer here has had to help me out with inserting chapter 
headings in books, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate all of them and 
their
help! If ever I find a way to find this information by myself, I'll let you 
know.     

You know, if your local librarians are willing to help, and the library has 
the books you need, and all you need are the pages on which chapter 
headings
should start, they might be able to make you a list of chapter headings and 
their respective starting pages.  Just a thought. 

Mayrie   

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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] some questions

Is  there a place on line, where you can find out things for a book like 
the contents of books that kind of thing

I  know you can wait until you see a sighted person and that is cool but 
wondered if there is such a  place where you can find out things the little 
things
without sighted help.

Also Bob thought he heard once, like if it is a text book or an important 
book where things have to be precise but on fiction books if it didn't mess 
up
the book some things didn't matter like we've had books before where 
headings weren't there and lots of times the page numbers you don't hear them 
in a
book they don't show up when the book comes up and is excepted anyhow 
because of like software or any number of things.

Because he says he has put up books that he was sure he had the page 
numbers in and stuff and when he has looked at them or brought them down none 
of 
those
things are in there.

I know you  have to do a good job that kind of thing

I have even had a person who does not volunteer for bookshare who just 
reads tell me that all that stuff distracts from the book and breaks up the text
and it bothers him.

Just thought I'd ask.

Cause some books no matter what a blind person does some books are grand 
but some books  especially these tiny ones stuff just doesn't come out and 
this
is about the 4th time I've gone through this book in fact got so dilligent 
on it that ended up putting up a partial book not sure how that happened but
it did.

I'm ready for some new books LOL these same 9 books LOL have been sitting 
on my table for months and I've redone them so many times that wow they are 
broke
*smile*  

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