[bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a waste and frustrating
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:12:21 -0400
Yes, Bookshare knows who submits and validates a book, but people can decide
whether or not their contact information is given when they submit books; so
if that information is not included, then volunteers cannot know who
submitted the book.
There is no evaluation form. If a member feels a book is of poor quality,
they can either resubmit it themselves, or ask that it be redone.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devorah Greenstein" <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a waste and frustrating
> I'm puzzled. Doesn't the Bookshare computer have people's names attached
> to each book as it goes through the process and gets put into the
> collection? I mean, someone (some computer) knows that I've validated a
> particular book because I get reminders and a thank you at the end.
> Can't we offer feedback to people who submit and validate books ? Or set
> standards? What are "the old rules"? If Curtis reads a book that is
> missing pages or is not up to snuff, is there an evaluation form or
> something that he can give to someone so that the book is reviewed and
> improved? Or does it just stay in circulation as is?
>
> I know I'm a newby, but I also know that when I'm reading a print book
> (I'm sighted) and it's missing pages (which just happened to me in a
> hardcover fantasy book, and they were critical pages) well I get really
> mad. So I'm sympathizing with Curtis.
>
> Devorah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a waste and frustrating
>
> I'm glad you ranted so now I don't have to. My feeling is that these
> scanners are not on this list, possibly started scanning when
> Bookshare's
> standards were so low and have not bothered to read the submitting
> updates.
> What's even worse is if a validator working under the old rules gets one
> of
> these books; then a truly poor product results. Jill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:19 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a waste and frustrating
>
>
>>I might add, though reluctantly, I have downloaded books lately where
> the
>> person who scanned the book did not read it, or if did, ignored a
> plethora
>> of errors and then called the scan " excellent, almost no errors." I
>> wonder
>> how ... or why ... that happens? Any book I have sent I have read
>> thoroughly
>> from cover to cover, and exhumed as many obvious errors or missing
> pages
>> or
>> missing words ... as possible. It's frustrating when, particularly
> when
>> it's
>> a book I truly like and want to finish, to have all kinds of errors
> which
>> continue to continue without knowing what the source was suppose to
> be.
>> Reading a book by gathering it by context is no fun. :)
>>
>> Sorry for my rant, however it seems to me that if books are to be
>> submitted,
>> then they should be submitted with the idea that as many errors as
>> possible
>> be handled by the original submitter, not the validator.
>> When both the submitter, and the validator are involved with
> corrections,
>> many fewer errors are the result, but you can't start out with the
> context
>> and expect much more than the hodge podge it began with.
>> Many times, scanners, as such, put in long descriptions, advertise on
>> these
>> lists, books they've sent but when I download ...
>>
>> Curtis Delzer
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:42 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] see long synopsis a waste and frustrating
>>
>>
>> Dear Booksharian Friends,
>>
>> Those words, "See long synopsis," which appeared on several titles on
>> Sunday's new books list frustrate and annoy me every time I read them.
>
>> From
>> yesterday's list I uploaded 6 books but none of my choices had those
>> dreaded
>> words in their descriptions.
>>
>> Your valuable volunteer and staff efforts have given me so many
> wonderful,
>> usually unexpected, books to read, I don't take time from my
> volunteering
>> reading, and real life to look up titles that refer me to the long
>> synopsis.
>>
>> I also don't punish myself either to make a point by failing to read
> books
>> I
>> recognize that I like whose authors or titles I already know, just
> because
>> the submittor and validator didn't take time to write any kind of
> helpful
>> short synopsis for them. But, If I'm not familiar with the book, I
> don't
>> bother to track down a long synopsis. If volunteers can't be bothered
> to
>> write a helpful short synopsis, I conclude they don't care much about
> that
>> book and don't waste unnecessary time finding out about it because I
> think
>> it has a good chance of not being carefully prepared.
>>
>> If a volunteer cares about a book, you'd think she or he would want
> others
>> to benefit from their work. You'd think they would hope many readers
> will
>> select their book and it will be widely read. Why put your own book in
> the
>> seconds bin by not writing an inviting and/or informative short
> synopsis
>> for
>> it? The short synopsis is the book's best publicity.
>>
>> In other discussions some volunteers have used the excuse that they
> can't
>> write a long synopsis because they haven't read the book. By my
> personal
>> work standards That already shows a considerable amount of lack of
> caring.
>> However given the volunteer isn't planning to read the book, this
> excuse
>> still doesn't hold up. Why not formulate a short synopsis by
> summarizing
>> that famous long synopsis to which they direct potential readers. It
>> wouldn't take too long to dash out some brief high points mentioned in
>
>> that
>> long synopsis. It's only 200 characters or less we're hoping for.
>>
>> I'll always appreciate everyone's work and am not targeting an
> individual
>> since I didn't look up any of these books to identify the volunteers
> who
>> write "See long synopsis." I wouldn't dream of trying to manipulate
> the
>> volunteer community or the staff to weigh in on this issue or to
> institute
>> major changes according to my personal guidelines and desires. It's my
>
>> hope
>> that expressing my opinion might result in some books in the future
> being
>> given the more detailed short synopses they deserve. And if that
> happens
>> or
>> not, at least I've expressed my feelings.
>>
>> I assume all of us have the good of Bookshare at heart. I've written
> this
>> pointed and fervent message from the perspective of both a volunteer
> and a
>> reader who loves Bookshare. I'm stating my opinion to encourage
> volunteers
>> to try a little harder to attract readers to their books and to make
> book
>> browsing more satisfying to me.
>>
>> Always with love,
>>
>> Lissi
>>
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