[bksvol-discuss] Re: retained (or not) italics and poetry indentations
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:00:33 -0800 (PST)
Right. Let's hope for the future. smile
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sorry, Cindy, but Bobs and Danny Deever don't show
> any of the varying
> indentation in the brf file that you described. You
> may not want to refrain
> from doing it in the future, though, as those
> reading it off the screen may
> see it, and if the original files are ever
> reprocessed for Braille, the
> indentations may appear in the Braille versions.
> Hopefully, the italics
> will show up as well.
>
> Evan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:31 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] retained (or not) italics
> and poetry indentations
>
>
> > Right. Prelude was flush left and all in italics
> > except for the first two words. Bobs, beginnning
> on
> > p. 393, has some indented lines, and Danny Deever,
> p.
> > 395 has alternate verses indented. I indented them
> by
> > changing the left-hand margin rather than using
> tabs
> > or the space bar. If such indentations are
> retained,
> > then I won't bother any more, I guess. There are
> other
> > poems, but these are the ones that caught my eye
> as I
> > paged down quickle.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Which verses are supposed to be indented? In the
> >> Prelude, every line is
> >> indented the same number of spaces, two. The
> >> Braille translator removes
> >> extra spaces, or so I've been told, and I believe
> >> it. It also seems to
> >> remove all blank lines.
> >>
> >> Either this Braille translator is extremely
> >> primitive, or it isn't getting
> >> files with attributes such as bold and italics
> and
> >> blank lines. I have
> >> never seen a blank line in any brf file I have
> >> downloaded. Even Megadots
> >> from ten years ago could take a doc file from MS
> >> Word and show italics and
> >> blank lines in the brf version. I used to work
> with
> >> it quite a bit. Why
> >> this one can't do the same with rtf files is
> >> something curious. Maybe it
> >> isn't getting the rtf file, but something
> stripped
> >> of all atributes. But if
> >> so, why does the Daisy version get a better file
> of
> >> the book to work with?
> >> Questions and more questions.
> >> <smile>
> >>
> >> Evan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:53 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re
> underlined
> >> words
> >>
> >>
> >> > Ah, well.
> >> >
> >> > Are the indented verses indented?
> >> >
> >> > It's too bad, because although most of the time
> it
> >> > probably doesn't make a difference, in some
> books
> >> it
> >> > does, to indicate thoughts as opposed to what's
> >> being
> >> > spoken. Also, in sentences, it indicates stress
> or
> >> > emphasis on a particular word, although that
> >> sometimes
> >> > can be "heard" in the reading. Sometimes when
> I'm
> >> > validating, in reading a line the fact that a
> word
> >> > feels as if it should be stressed causes me to
> >> look at
> >> > the book, and sure enough, it is italicized.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy
> >> > --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Cindy, I have downloaded the brf version of
> >> Rudyard
> >> >> Kipling Complete Verse
> >> >> and have read the Prelude. As I suspected,
> there
> >> is
> >> >> no sign of italics
> >> >> anywhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> Evan
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:05 AM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re
> >> underlined
> >> >> words
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Thanks Gerald and Evan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Evan, it's possible that neither the scanner
> >> nor
> >> >> the
> >> >> > validator put the thoughts or any sections
> in
> >> >> ital.
> >> >> > I'm assuming Eragon was uploaded in rtf; I
> seem
> >> to
> >> >> > remember it was a recent submission and not
> >> txt,
> >> >> which
> >> >> > doesn't retain anything. But unless one
> scanned
> >> or
> >> >> is
> >> >> > validating with something that indicates
> ital
> >> or
> >> >> bold,
> >> >> > he/she won't change it. Things don't seem to
> >> scan
> >> >> iin
> >> >> > ital, just makes it junky. smile
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Try downloading Rudyard Kipling Complete
> Verse.
> >> >> The
> >> >> > Prelude, p. 3, is italicized, as well as
> parts
> >> of
> >> >> > other poems.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Or you might try Out of Body or Elect Mr.
> >> Robinson
> >> >> (p.
> >> >> > 129 and some others have italicized words)
> or
> >> >> Cloud
> >> >> > Atlas (italics scattered throughout); I'm
> not
> >> sure
> >> >> > what category Out of Body falls into--sort
> of
> >> Sci
> >> >> fi,
> >> >> > but certainly one of the chapters in Cloud
> >> Atlas
> >> >> does,
> >> >> > and I think Mr. Robinson--well, I don't
> know.
> >> But
> >> >> they
> >> >> > all have some italics in places--too
> scattered
> >> for
> >> >> me
> >> >> > to give you page numbers. Let me know what
> you
> >> >> find
> >> >> > out, i.e., if the italia=cs in these more
> >> recent
> >> >> books
> >> >> > sow p in braille.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cindy
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cindy
> >> >> > --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It won't come out in Braille, though, I
> will
> >> bet.
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have a few thousand
> >> >> >> pages of Bookshare Braille files by now
> from
> >> the
> >> >> old
> >> >> >> translator and from
> >> >> >> when it was upgraded and I haven't seen an
> >> >> italics
> >> >> >> or underline symbol -
> >> >> >> dots 4-6 anywhere. The only indication I
> ever
> >> >> got
> >> >> >> that something was
> >> >> >> italicized was when the old Braille
> translator
> >> >> used
> >> >> >> to take a new line for
> >> >> >> italicized text such as titles of books in
> the
> >> >> text,
> >> >> >> as when the book Dune
> >> >> >> is refered to in the book The Road to Dune
> by
> >> >> Brian
> >> >> >> Herbert and Kevin J.
> >> >> >> Anderson, or ship names, such as in Terry
> >> Brooks'
> >> >> >> Straken, where the names
> >> >> >> of the ships were always on separate lines
> as
> >> >> well
> >> >> >> as when people's thoughts
> >> >> >> were italicized. I have seen no such
> >> indicators
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> italics or underlining
> >> >> >> in any of the books done after the
> translator
> >> was
> >> >> >> upgraded. I am currently
> >> >> >> reading Eragon and am up to page 60. There
> >> are
> >> >> >> passages where the
> >> >> >> protagonist is thinking, and I would bet
> that
> >> >> those
> >> >> >> passages are in italics
> >> >> >> or are otherwise indicated by a change in
> >> font,
> >> >> or
> >> >> >> something, but no such
> >> >> >> indications are in the brf file. The same
> >> with
> >> >> >> Robert Jordans' Knife of
> >> >> >> Dreams. It seems unlikely that that
> 785-page
> >> >> book
> >> >> >> had no italics in it, but
> >> >> >> the brf file had none at all.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So now you have a better idea of some of
> the
> >> >> stuff I
> >> >> >> like to read. <grin>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Evan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Gerald Hovas"
> <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:17 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re
> >> >> underlined
> >> >> >> words
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Not sure, but my guess is that it will
> since
> >> >> HTML
> >> >> >> supports underlining,
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > DAISY uses a markup language similar to
> >> HTML.
> >> >> Try
> >> >> >> it and see, then we'll
> >> >> >> > know.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Gerald
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On
> >> >> >> Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> >> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:51 PM
> >> >> >> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] question re
> >> >> underlined
> >> >> >> words
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm helping Sharon with a nonfiction book
> >> and
> >> >> some
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > the handwritten words are underlined. She
> >> wants
> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> > the emphases, etc., retained because they
> >> are
> >> >> >> > important. If I underline the words, do
> they
> >> >> >> remained
> >> >> >> > underlined when the book is converted to
> >> Daisy
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> > BRF, or should I explain that the are
> >> >> underlined?
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> > don't think I've come across this
> >> before--just
> >> >> >> bold
> >> >> >> > and ital.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Cindy
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> >> >> >> > ________
> >> >> >> > Finding fabulous fares is fun.
> >> >> >> > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite
> >> >> travel
> >> >> >> sites to find flight and
> >> >> >> > hotel bargains.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >>
> http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
> >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a
> blank
> >> >> Email
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in
> the
> >> >> >> subject line. To get a list
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > available commands, put the word 'help'
> by
> >> >> itself
> >> >> >> in the subject line.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a
> blank
> >> >> Email
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in
> the
> >> >> >> subject line. To get a list
> >> >> >> > of available commands, put the word
> 'help'
> >> by
> >> >> >> itself in the subject line.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> >> >> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database:
> >> >> 268.17.16/660 -
> >> >> >> Release Date: 1/30/2007
> >> >> >> > 5:04 PM
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank
> >> Email
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> >> >> subject
> >> >> >> line. To get a list of available commands,
> >> put
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> >> >> > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to
> >> love
> >> >> > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty
> >> Pleasures
> >> >> list.
> >> >> > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank
> >> Email
> >> >> to
> >> >> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> >> >> subject line. To get a list
> >> >> > of available commands, put the word 'help'
> by
> >> >> itself in the subject line.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> >> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database:
> >> 268.17.16/660 -
> >> >> Release Date: 1/30/2007
> >> >> > 5:04 PM
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank
> Email
> >> to
> >> >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> >> subject
> >> >> line. To get a list of available commands,
> put
> >> the
> >> >> word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> >> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> >> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news
> and
> >> previews at Yahoo!
> >> > Games.
> >> >
> >>
> http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
> >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank
> Email
> >> to
> >> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> >> subject line. To get a list
> >> > of available commands, put the word 'help' by
> >> itself in the subject line.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database:
> 268.17.19/663 -
> >> Release Date: 2/1/2007
> >> > 2:28 PM
> >> >
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email
> to
> >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> subject
> >> line. To get a list of available commands, put
> the
> >> word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
> > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email
> to
> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
> subject line. To get a list
> > of available commands, put the word 'help' by
> itself in the subject line.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 -
> Release Date: 2/1/2007
> > 2:28 PM
> >
>
> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject
> line. To get a list of available commands, put the
> word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of
available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
Other related posts:
