[bksvol-discuss] Re: question re spelling
- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:28:32 -0500
That's interesting. I think it would have been good to know about
Mayrie's name before because I *hate misspelling names. If I hear the
computer pronounce a name that way like "Mary" I won't check it; I
have often checked though because of just that, the pronunciation is
not clear on it. I have seen the name D a n a pronounced D o n n a, so
would have always misspelled it. Someone I know is called Donna, but
her name is spelled D a w n a. You wouldn't know that by reading the
speech. I'm glad you mentioned it, G Cindy because I will begin
checking this more often.
Cindy Lou
Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] question re spelling
I have never, or very, very rarely, corrected anyone's
spelling in these posts, unless it was a misspelled
title or author's name, figuring that everyone was
doing one's best and spelling the word as he/she heard
it. Would you want me to, or should I continue not?
Interesting, Mayrie, you did spell stellar correctly.
smile It might easily have been misspelled.
Also, what about people's names? Quite a few of you
misspell Mayrie's name, which is an unusual
spelling--very pretty. It's spelled M a y r i e R e
n a e
Of course I make lots of mistakes because I don't
spell-check or even reread my posts. I'd better start,
I guess. smile
G.Cindy
--- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Cindy,
>
> Poor spelling is certainly not limited to
> blind
> people. Blind people just have to work harder to
> spell well in these
> days of speech. I wish I could say that I'm a
> stellar speller. I'm
> not, but I do want not to be a poor one, so make the
> effort to attend
> to my spelling better.
>
> Peace,
> Mayrie
>
> At 06:37 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
> >OOOOOOO, Mary, good job! I hadn't even thought of
> that aspect of it.
> >Lots of people learn to write braille by how they
> read it; that is an
> >important point in itself. They cement their
> braille knowledge and
> >spelling, too, by what they see whether with
> fingers, I think, or with
> >eyes. I think in this day of speech, which is
> lovely, we endanger them
> >of having compromised spelling and braille reading
> ability. Although
> >while we are on the topic, I am seeing a lot of
> sighted folk saying
> >that they would like to write personnels rather
> than personals, and
> >that you should definately do this or that.
> >
> >Cindy Lou the Cranky
> >
> >Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:23 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille
> Readers
> >
> >
> >Hi Cindy,
> >
> > Well, we're both old and cranky then. I
> don't know why
> >people are willing to compromise proper punctuation
> when making it
> >come out correctly in both print and braille takes
> only a couple of
> >seconds when validating a file. Contrary to what
> people seem to
> >think, it is not incorrect in print to represent
> the em dashes as
> >double hyphens. We are just lucky enough these
> days to have them be
> >a punctuation mark that our word processing
> software can insert. And
> >yes, Darrell may know what the hyphen is supposed
> to mean in the
> >place of an em dash, but does everyone, especially
> every young
> >reader? Do you want young kids to read NLS web
> braille books
> >punctuated correctly and then bookshare books
> punctuated incorrectly,
> >and wonder which punctuation mark she is supposed
> to use in her own
> >writing, when you as validators could clear that
> up easily?
> >
> >And, if we're talking about things like that, do
> you know how many
> >times I see in books now and on e-mail lists the
> word "then" used
> >where the word "than" should have been used? An
> example of what I
> >see in this case would be: "I like milk better then
> water." How many
> >people misspell there their and they're? That
> happens in the blind
> >community because too many people didn't read
> enough braille to know
> >the differences. Now, we want to give them
> inaccurate braille too,
> >when making it accurate takes less than thirty
> seconds to accomplish
> >while validating a book?
> >
> >This is a subject that I hope gets resolved.
> Otherwise, you all are
> >going to hear me rant about sloppiness and laziness
> and compromising
> >the educations of blind children for years to come.
> And you'll want
> >to tell me to put a sock in it. And I won't. I
> believe in educating
> >our children properly. It's difficult enough to
> find blind people
> >who can spell. And now you want to make them think
> that an em dash
> >is a hyphen too?
> >
> >Okay, I'll shut up now, for this round.
> >
> >Peace,
> >Mayrie
> >
> > At 03:47 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
> > >Excuse me, but why is that compromising the book.
> In the rules of
> > >NLS,
> > >they say that when the book was being transcribed
> it wasn't always
> > >easy to tell which it was, but if it would fit
> that -- requirement it
> > >should be used. That's more or less a paraphrase,
> and I can't tell
> > >you
> > >exactly where. It doesn't compromise the print
> book in any way.
> > >Personally, I cringe when I see it any other way,
> but then again I'm
> > >old and cranky. LOL.
> > >
> > >Cindy Lou
> > >
> > >Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Darrell Shandrow"
> <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:39 PM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for
> Braille Readers
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Allison,
> > >
> > >My take on this may be a bit different than most
> Braille readers. I
> > >do not
> > >feel it is a good idea to compromise the
> formatting of the print book
> > >for
> > >the sake of Braille translation, especially when
> it is not absolutely
> > >necessary to do so. We Braille readers know what
> is intended even
> > >when only
> > >a single dash appears.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:25 PM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for
> Braille Readers
> > >
> > >
> > >Sue, Thanks for the info. It's good to know how
> NLS does their
> > >dashes. So,
> > >then my next question is, what does everyone
> prefer? Should I create
> > >double
> > >dashes as NLS does, or simply leave things as is?
> > >
> > >Either is fine with me as replacing em dashes
> won't take too much
> > >time.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >Allison
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:22 PM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for
> Braille Readers
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Allison,
> > > >
> > > > What the National Library Service does in
> their Braille books is
> > > > to
> > > > use
> > > > two
> > > > hyphens or dashes where the em dash would be.
> For example, in
> > > > this
> > > > word--word. But people have been leaving them
> as they appear in
> > > > the
> > > > book,
> > > > and you are right, they translate to a single
> hyphen or dash. So
> > > > when we
> > > > do
> > > > that, the hyphen or single dash and the em
> dash look the same.
> > > >
> > > > In Word, when I have a file with em dashes in
> it, they look like a
> > > > capitalized dash or hyphen on my Braille
> display. It has dots 7
> > > > and
> > > > 8, so
> > > > it looks like dots 3, 6, and 8.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > Sue S.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Allison Hilliker"
> <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question for Braille
> Readers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Quick question for Braille-readers. I do read
> Braille myself, but
> > > > I've
> > > > never paid attention to this issue before.
> I'm validating a book
> > > > with a
> > > > lot
> > > > of em dashes. They look like this. - They
> usually connect two
> > > > words
> > > > like
> > > > this. word1-word2. They do not usually have
> spaces around them.
> > > > In
> > > > the
> > > > past I have left them as is in the books I
> validate.
> > > >
> > > > My question is, should I be doing anything
> special with the em
> > > > dashes in
> > > > order to make them easily read in Braille?
> I've never known there
> > > > to be a
> > > > special Braille character for the em dash, but
> there may be one.
> > > > Does it
> > > > just look
> > > > like a regular dash, or something else? Do
> they appear with
> > > > spaces
> > > > around
> > > > them or not? Would most of you prefer me to
> add spaces, change
> > > > the
> > > > em
> > > > dashes to regular dashes, leave them alone, or
> something else?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any feedback you can give.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Allison
> > > >
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