[bksvol-discuss] Re: question re spelling
- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:45:25 -0700
U know, all, I don't think G. Cindy is talking about mere random
spelling errors, but things like Mayrie's name, for example, the
misspelling of which could potentially cause difficulties. However,
G. Cindy, since u wouldn't know this from personal experience, let me
just say that all screenreaders have a function that allows us to
spell words, not only letter by letter, but also phonetically in case
we have trouble differentiating sound-alike letters like b, d, & p.
The difficulty arises when the screenreader pronounces a word like
Mayrie the same way it would Mary, & therefore 1 thinks 1 knows how to
spell something when in fact they don't. Also, many screenreaders
pronounce the letter a as uh.
On 3/24/08, EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don't think I would mind if you pointed out my spelling mistakes, although
> I do use a spell checker; but that wouldn't fix names. But generally,
> wherever I've been on the net, mailing lists, Usenet newsgroups, I have
> rarely seen people point out others' spelling errors. I have gotten the
> impression over the years that that is considered bad net etiquette.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:42 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] question re spelling
>
>
> >I have never, or very, very rarely, corrected anyone's
> > spelling in these posts, unless it was a misspelled
> > title or author's name, figuring that everyone was
> > doing one's best and spelling the word as he/she heard
> > it. Would you want me to, or should I continue not?
> >
> > Interesting, Mayrie, you did spell stellar correctly.
> > smile It might easily have been misspelled.
> >
> > Also, what about people's names? Quite a few of you
> > misspell Mayrie's name, which is an unusual
> > spelling--very pretty. It's spelled M a y r i e R e
> > n a e
> >
> > Of course I make lots of mistakes because I don't
> > spell-check or even reread my posts. I'd better start,
> > I guess. smile
> >
> > G.Cindy
> >
> > --- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Cindy,
> >>
> >> Poor spelling is certainly not limited to
> >> blind
> >> people. Blind people just have to work harder to
> >> spell well in these
> >> days of speech. I wish I could say that I'm a
> >> stellar speller. I'm
> >> not, but I do want not to be a poor one, so make the
> >> effort to attend
> >> to my spelling better.
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >> At 06:37 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
> >> >OOOOOOO, Mary, good job! I hadn't even thought of
> >> that aspect of it.
> >> >Lots of people learn to write braille by how they
> >> read it; that is an
> >> >important point in itself. They cement their
> >> braille knowledge and
> >> >spelling, too, by what they see whether with
> >> fingers, I think, or with
> >> >eyes. I think in this day of speech, which is
> >> lovely, we endanger them
> >> >of having compromised spelling and braille reading
> >> ability. Although
> >> >while we are on the topic, I am seeing a lot of
> >> sighted folk saying
> >> >that they would like to write personnels rather
> >> than personals, and
> >> >that you should definately do this or that.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Lou the Cranky
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:23 PM
> >> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille
> >> Readers
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Hi Cindy,
> >> >
> >> > Well, we're both old and cranky then. I
> >> don't know why
> >> >people are willing to compromise proper punctuation
> >> when making it
> >> >come out correctly in both print and braille takes
> >> only a couple of
> >> >seconds when validating a file. Contrary to what
> >> people seem to
> >> >think, it is not incorrect in print to represent
> >> the em dashes as
> >> >double hyphens. We are just lucky enough these
> >> days to have them be
> >> >a punctuation mark that our word processing
> >> software can insert. And
> >> >yes, Darrell may know what the hyphen is supposed
> >> to mean in the
> >> >place of an em dash, but does everyone, especially
> >> every young
> >> >reader? Do you want young kids to read NLS web
> >> braille books
> >> >punctuated correctly and then bookshare books
> >> punctuated incorrectly,
> >> >and wonder which punctuation mark she is supposed
> >> to use in her own
> >> >writing, when you as validators could clear that
> >> up easily?
> >> >
> >> >And, if we're talking about things like that, do
> >> you know how many
> >> >times I see in books now and on e-mail lists the
> >> word "then" used
> >> >where the word "than" should have been used? An
> >> example of what I
> >> >see in this case would be: "I like milk better then
> >> water." How many
> >> >people misspell there their and they're? That
> >> happens in the blind
> >> >community because too many people didn't read
> >> enough braille to know
> >> >the differences. Now, we want to give them
> >> inaccurate braille too,
> >> >when making it accurate takes less than thirty
> >> seconds to accomplish
> >> >while validating a book?
> >> >
> >> >This is a subject that I hope gets resolved.
> >> Otherwise, you all are
> >> >going to hear me rant about sloppiness and laziness
> >> and compromising
> >> >the educations of blind children for years to come.
> >> And you'll want
> >> >to tell me to put a sock in it. And I won't. I
> >> believe in educating
> >> >our children properly. It's difficult enough to
> >> find blind people
> >> >who can spell. And now you want to make them think
> >> that an em dash
> >> >is a hyphen too?
> >> >
> >> >Okay, I'll shut up now, for this round.
> >> >
> >> >Peace,
> >> >Mayrie
> >> >
> >> > At 03:47 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
> >> > >Excuse me, but why is that compromising the book.
> >> In the rules of
> >> > >NLS,
> >> > >they say that when the book was being transcribed
> >> it wasn't always
> >> > >easy to tell which it was, but if it would fit
> >> that -- requirement it
> >> > >should be used. That's more or less a paraphrase,
> >> and I can't tell
> >> > >you
> >> > >exactly where. It doesn't compromise the print
> >> book in any way.
> >> > >Personally, I cringe when I see it any other way,
> >> but then again I'm
> >> > >old and cranky. LOL.
> >> > >
> >> > >Cindy Lou
> >> > >
> >> > >Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Darrell Shandrow"
> >> <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:39 PM
> >> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for
> >> Braille Readers
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Hi Allison,
> >> > >
> >> > >My take on this may be a bit different than most
> >> Braille readers. I
> >> > >do not
> >> > >feel it is a good idea to compromise the
> >> formatting of the print book
> >> > >for
> >> > >the sake of Braille translation, especially when
> >> it is not absolutely
> >> > >necessary to do so. We Braille readers know what
> >> is intended even
> >> > >when only
> >> > >a single dash appears.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> >> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:25 PM
> >> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for
> >> Braille Readers
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Sue, Thanks for the info. It's good to know how
> >> NLS does their
> >> > >dashes. So,
> >> > >then my next question is, what does everyone
> >> prefer? Should I create
> >> > >double
> >> > >dashes as NLS does, or simply leave things as is?
> >> > >
> >> > >Either is fine with me as replacing em dashes
> >> won't take too much
> >> > >time.
> >> > >
> >> > >Best,
> >> > >Allison
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:22 PM
> >> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for
> >> Braille Readers
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Allison,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What the National Library Service does in
> >> their Braille books is
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > use
> >> > > > two
> >> > > > hyphens or dashes where the em dash would be.
> >> For example, in
> >> > > > this
> >> > > > word--word. But people have been leaving them
> >> as they appear in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > book,
> >> > > > and you are right, they translate to a single
> >> hyphen or dash. So
> >> > > > when we
> >> > > > do
> >> > > > that, the hyphen or single dash and the em
> >> dash look the same.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In Word, when I have a file with em dashes in
> >> it, they look like a
> >> > > > capitalized dash or hyphen on my Braille
> >> display. It has dots 7
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > 8, so
> >> > > > it looks like dots 3, 6, and 8.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > HTH,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sue S.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Allison Hilliker"
> >> <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> >> > > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:39 PM
> >> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question for Braille
> >> Readers
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi everyone,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Quick question for Braille-readers. I do read
> >> Braille myself, but
> >> > > > I've
> >> > > > never paid attention to this issue before.
> >> I'm validating a book
> >> > > > with a
> >> > > > lot
> >> > > > of em dashes. They look like this. - They
> >> usually connect two
> >> > > > words
> >> > > > like
> >> > > > this. word1-word2. They do not usually have
> >> spaces around them.
> >> > > > In
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > past I have left them as is in the books I
> >> validate.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My question is, should I be doing anything
> >> special with the em
> >> > > > dashes in
> >> > > > order to make them easily read in Braille?
> >> I've never known there
> >> > > > to be a
> >> > > > special Braille character for the em dash, but
> >> there may be one.
> >> > > > Does it
> >> > > > just look
> >> > > > like a regular dash, or something else? Do
> >> they appear with
> >> > > > spaces
> >> > > > around
> >> > > > them or not? Would most of you prefer me to
> >> add spaces, change
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > em
> >> > > > dashes to regular dashes, leave them alone, or
> >> something else?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for any feedback you can give.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Allison
> >> > > >
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