[bksvol-discuss] Re: proofreading questions
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:50:45 -0700 (PDT)
Marty, the penultimate is the net-to-last (I didn't know what it was either
until my husband used it and explained to me. For example, the letter Y is the
penultimate letter of the alphabet.
In John's case, the apostrophe that should be between the letter n and the
letter s is actually above the letter n. I know no of no way to change it
except by deleting it where it is and placing it where it belongs, but I can't
imagine that it's a big problem for readers, unless it is a problem for Braille
readers or people who read by listening.
--- On Fri, 7/27/12, Martha Rafter <mlhr@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Martha Rafter <mlhr@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: proofreading questions
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 10:10 AM
> Hi John,
> I'm not really sure about the term penultimate, but
> following this thread reminds me of something I came across
> a while ago. While proofing I kept coming across
> something that was not American English in a book that was
> written in American english. To me with my JAWS, the
> word sounded as if there was a question mark after it.
> Anyway, this is what I did:
> As I came across each of these characters, I copied
> them, then opened 'find and replace,' pasted the character
> in the find box and put what I knew it was supposed to be in
> the replace. I then did a 'replace all.' I did
> this in my initial read-through each time I found one.
> I sure hope that this makes sense. If it doesn't, ask
> again and I will try again.
> Marty
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Cindy
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:18 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: proofreading questions
>
> I wonder if it's necessary to re-place that apostrophe that
> is over the penultimate letter rather than after it, where
> it belongs. That is something someone who listens or uses
> Braille to rad will have to say; to a sighted person it's
> very clear what it is.
> Cindy
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/26/12, Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: proofreading questions
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, July 26, 2012, 6:03 PM
>
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> Hi John,
>
>
>
> I can answer the bit about
> books.google.com. It's unlikely that you
> would want to change your page breaks in
> the scanned version .rtf
> to match the Google copy. Your
> edition is probably a totally
> different edition than the one that is on
> google books. I run into
> this all the time. Books can have 20 or 30
> different editions, or
> even more, and the pagination will be
> different on each edition.
>
>
>
> The missing dash problem could have from a
> whole bunch of causes. I
> don't have a fix for you as a proofreader
> to handle that easily,
> unless there is a specific consistent
> pattern you can use to do a
> 'search and replace' for the missing em
> dashes. One idea from the
> pattern you are seeing is to just do
> a search for space space and
> then replace each of these that appear to
> be a missing em dash with
> a hyphen hypen, Someone else here may have
> a better idea, though.
>
>
>
> I'm also a sighted volunteer with
> limitations that don't allow me to
> manipulate a print book. There are a few
> of us in that boat that are
> volunteers here. I use google book
> and amazon peek both when
> available, and when I can't get an answer
> I need there or from the
> person who scanned the book I ask on the
> list if someone can find
> the book and scan the page and send it to
> me.
>
>
>
> Hope that helps,
>
>
>
> Judy s.
>
>
>
> On 7/26/2012 7:06 PM, John Simpson
> wrote:
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> I have several questions
> about the book that I am
>
> currently proofing.
> First
> off, words that are followed by an "'s" have the
>
> apostrsphe
> over
> the penultimate letter (e.g. Martin̓s). While this is
> not a
> showstopper,
> it does
> require a fair amount of corrections. I guess my
>
> question is what
> causes
> this kind of construction? Is it a function of the
> scan
> volunteer, the
> scanner
> hardware, or the OCR software?
>
> Secondly, I have gone to
> books.google.com to take
> a look
> at this book.
> My
> question here is whether Google has a fair
>
> representation of the book. I
> know
> that all but one page are present, but within the
> first
> several chapters,
> the
> page breaks in the scanned version .rtf are not in the
> same
> place as they
> are in
> Google's copy. I certainly don't want to have to go
> through
> the entire
> book
> changing pagination based on Google. I do have a hold
> at my
> local library
> for the
> print copy that will help answer this question.
> Any
> other advice would
> be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> The third question is that
> in the scanned version
> that I
> have from
>
> BookShare there are frequent instances of
> two spaces,
> rather
> than one. The
> sense
> of the book is that there should be a comma where
> the
> first space is.
>
> However, when looking at the Google
> version, this
>
> separator is an m dash
>
> surrounded by spaces. All of these
> dashes have been
>
> removed. Again, my
>
> question is whether this is a function of
> the scan
>
> volunteer the scanner
>
> hardware or the OCR software. Again, I do
> not wish to go
> through
> the entire
> print
> book looking for dashes that I need to replace, or
> even to
> do a find on
> two
> spaces and see if the meeting indicates a dash.
>
> I am a sighted volunteer
> with physical limitations
> that do
> not allow me
> to
> manipulate a print book. While I don't mind getting
>
> occasional assistance to
> go to a
> specific page to verify my proofreading, I'm not
> able to
> scan a print
> book
> and compare my scan to the BookShare .rtf version.
> If the
> Google
>
> representation is accurate relative to the
> print book, I
> will be
> happy to use that
> as a
> resource wherever possible.
>
> Thanks for any and all
> suggestions.
>
> John Simpson
>
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