[bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and arc formats
- From: "Katie Hill" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:17:53 -0800
Katie Hill
You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
Lynn Lewis Warren
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-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-Hi Gerald
Yes I did read the earlier post. My only point was we have the multiple
formats to use at the time of submission, being when the scanner initially
submits the book and we are required after validating to upload in RTF
format. IS this correct?
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Hovas
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:46 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and arc formats
Katie,
Doesn't look like you read my earlier response to Diane. I'll include
John's announcement from last August again below. It states, and you can
confirm it by looking at the combobox on the submission form, that the
following formats are the only ones now being accepted:
-- RTF
-- Microsoft Word
-- KES (Kurzweil)
-- Ark (Open Book)
-- WynWizard (Wyn)
The only reason to not upload a validation in RTF at this time is that there
are 2 BRF books still in processing. I personally agree with E that we
should put those 2 books out of there misery by going ahead and rejecting
them. John's message, however, states that any book in the queue at that
time will be processed as normal.
At some point after the last TXT and BRF books are processed, Bookshare will
probably remove the option for volunteers to upload validations in other
formats since the only acceptable format for validations at that time will
be RTF. I have also pointed out that they will need to remove all but the
above formats from the combobox on the Step 1 page once the last of the TXT
and BRF books are gone.
Bookshare is retaining the capability to process books in the formats which
were removed from the submission form since the capability may still be
needed in the future, but any books in those formats will only be processed
in-house by the staff. I believe one example which they are currently
continueing to accept and process in-house is HTML from O'Reilly.
HTH
Gerald
Dear Bookshare.org Volunteers:
The Bookshare.org staff, with the support of OUR VOLUNTEER technical
advisers, has decided to make some changes to the range of book formats that
the system will accept. We realize that these changes may impact the ways
in which some of you work on books, but given the feedback we've had from
members, schools and other organizations, we feel that these changes will
bring significant benefits to all in the Bookshare.org community.
Starting on Friday, September 29, books may be placed into the system for
validation and submission in the following formats:
-- RTF
-- Microsoft Word
-- KES (Kurzweil)
-- Ark (Open Book)
-- WynWizard (Wyn)
These file formats permit the back-end processing tools to obtain and retain
as much structure as possible, including items like page numbers. ASCII
(plain text) files require some arduous work-arounds both on the part of
volunteers and on the back-end of the processing system. HTML and DAISY
offer markup, but because they can be created in so many different ways,
users are served best when we generate these files for Bookshare.org
customers using internal tools.
Books already in the various queues will be processed as normal. Again,
this change will be effective as of Friday, September 29, 2006.
As most of you know, Rich text Format (RTF) is the preferred file format for
book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables us to produce the most
consistent content output. This file format may be generated by using the
"save as" feature in most word processors, and it is a file format that is
available on all computer platforms.
We regret any inconvenience these policy changes may cause you. The
Bookshare.org team and many on the Bookshare.org lists are ready to assist
you in finding the best ways to support consistent file editing. We do
recognize that many of you prefer not to edit on your computers, but we
believe most note-takers offer you the ability to edit in one of the file
formats listed above.
Our goal is to provide a more consistent, quality reading experience for you
and for the other members (almost 5,000) of the Bookshare.org community.
We appreciate your continued commitment to Bookshare.org.
Sincerely
John Glass
Customer Support Manager, Bookshare
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katie Hill
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:38 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and arc formats
Hello Barbara and Cindy,
Just some thoughts here. When submitting for validation having the kes file
with images gives a validator the chance to do some re-recognition on pages
if there are errors. Like I have said, I prefer this. IN the initial
submission of a scan the options are rtf, kes, arc now. I believe.
Now, after validating the file I believe you are required to upload the
completed book in either RTF or Braille digital format.
So depending on where the book and the volunteer is in the process the
requirements can change.
Gerald or Jake, correct me if this is not right?
Katie Hill
You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
Lynn Lewis Warren
Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
503-777-7155
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:05 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and arc formats
Hi, Barbara,
According to this sentence from the volunteer home
page, it is the preferred format, though not
compulsory:
"Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file format
for book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables us
to produce the most consistent content output. This
file format may be generated by using the "save as"
feature in most word processors, and it is a file
format that is available on all computer platforms."
Cindy
--- Barbara <barbarab65@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Katie, I thought that, too. Is rtf the preferred
> file format is it just the suggested format? Please,
> clarify. Thanks!
>
> Barbara
>
> Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> When I read the "keep" part of the mssage about
> keeping files with images I had the perhaps mistaken
> idea that it meant the submitter should keep it
> him/herself for the time at which bookshare could
> retain images, and then the file could be
> resubmitted.
> It didn't say to submit files with images. Of
> course,
> no one know when that will be --perhaps there has to
> be another leap in technology--and I don't know if
> people have the capacity to store files with images
> definitely, so maybe I misunderstood the bookshare
> statement.
>
> Cindy
>
> --- Katie Hill wrote:
>
> > Hello Diane,
> >
> > This is the same question I asked when I first
> came
> > on to Bookshare. Even
> > though the Bookshare guidelines say this, anyone
> > joining the list would get
> > the impression that it is definitely preferred
> that
> > all files be uploaded in
> > RTF. Files with images are the preferred format as
> > far as bookshare goes and
> > RTF is the preferred format when it comes to
> > validators.
> >
> > Katie Hill
> > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to
> > listen.
> > Lynn Lewis Warren
> > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 503-777-7155
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Diane Scalzi
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:15 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> > arc formats
> >
> > The scanning preferences page at bookshare.org
> also
> > shows the following:
> >
> > Scanner settings
> >
> > 1. Keep Exact View / Image File
> >
> > list of 3 items
> > . If your scanner allows you to do so, keep the
> > image file of the scanned
> > pages along with the text translation. If you are
> > using a Kurzweil 1000
> > version
> > 6 or Kurzweil 3000, the image file is saved with
> the
> > .kes file format. If
> > you are using OPENBook or WYNN, the image files
> will
> > be included if you have
> > "Keep Exact View" enabled.
> >
> > Why do we ask for this? Over time, as the quality
> of
> > Optical Character
> > Recognition technology improves, we hope to be
> able
> > to go back to the
> > original image
> > files that are submitted to provide an even higher
> > quality book.
> >
> > However, the size of books scanned with exact view
> > on is quite large, and
> > people with limited disk space or slow connections
> > may find this
> > impractical.
> > We want your book with or without the images!
> >
> > . If your system does not allow you to keep the
> > image file of the scanned
> > pages along with the text translation, or if the
> > file size makes this
> > impractical,
> > please save the scan in RTF format.
> >
> > The link to this page is
> >
>
http://www.bookshare.org/web/SupportScanningPref.html.
> >
> > I think this begs the question of which preference
> > is more important to
> > bookshare.org. Does the organization want
> > submissions where it might be
> > possible to improve the quality in the future, or
> is
> > it more important to
> > submit books that more people will be able to
> > validate? I can upload books
> > either way, so it makes no difference to me, but
> > perhaps someone in the
> > organization should weigh in. Thanks.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:44 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> > arc formats
> >
> > I didnd't say that the newsletter should prohibit
> > ARC or KES
> > submissions--just that it suggest that they should
> > be submitted in rtf if
> > possible--which has been suggested before ("or to
> > the instructions for
> > volunteers it could be added that books should be
> > submitted in rtf") True, I
> > didn't add "if possible," but I did add "unless it
> > can't be done."
> >
> > On the volunteer page, underneath the list of
> > acceptable formats, is this
> > paragraph:
> >
> > "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file
> format
> > for book submission to
> > Bookshare.org. RTF enables us to produce the most
> > consistent content output.
> > This file format may be generated by using the
> "save
> > as"
> > feature in most word processors, and it is a file
> > format that is available
> > on all computer platforms. "
> >
> > All I was suggesting was that this be put in a
> > newletter or in the volunteer
> > acceptance information.
> > Of course, as I suggested, or asked, and as you
> > eplained in a previous post,
> > if a person can't convert to rtf for any reason
> then
> > he/she can't, and
> > people like you and Grace and others who can
> > validate in ARC and KES and do
> > those books. Possibly if the message on the
> > volunteer home page were more
> > widely disseminated, more people who had the
> option
> > of converting to rtf
> > would, and more books would be available to a
> wider
> > group of volunteers.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --- "E." wrote:
> >
> > > I am just a bit concerned when i hear somebody
> > suggest that the
> > > newsletter put out by bookshare ask that kes and
> > arc formats not be
> > > used. The fact is most of the books on step 1
> are
> > in fact submitted
> > > in more universal format such as rtf. I know
> some
> > people cannot use
> > > kes or arc formats. I also know some cannot use
> > doc because they do
> > > not have word. I know we need all the submitted
> > books we can get and
> > > I hesitate to restrict formats for suvmitting
> them
> > too much in case
> > > that cuts down on the number of books submitted.
> > > Please let the list know about particular kes or
> > arc books which
> > > anyone wants worked on and I am sure someone
> will
> > do their best to get
> > > to them.
> > >
> > >
> > > E.
> > >
> > >
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