That's right, my point was that I think Noel and you were making two = different arguments. The entity submitting the books, regardless of how = they are submitted, verifies by signing the volunteer agreement = (embodied in the member agreement) that they did not violate copyright = law in obtaining the book. There are shades of grey in terms of who = actually scanned the book of course. Someone physically incapable of = operating a scanner who has assistance, or a student who has a book = scanned for them by a DSS provider, are generally considered to be on = the right side of the law (fair use, in most cases), so their = verification that they have not violated copyright law would hold water. = But the case where someone else scans books, and another person = downloads them from the internet/get them emailed to them, that would be = a copyright violation, and that person would be breaking their terms of = membership by submitting those books. Basically, the thing to remember is, you are individually responsible = for not violating copyright law in order to obtain books. If you do so, = you should not submit them to Bookshare.org, because submitting them = would vioate the terms of of your membership/volunteer agreement. ________________________ Jesse Fahnestock Collection Development Coordinator, Bookshare.org www.bookshare.org A Project of The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity 480 S. California Ave., Suite 201 Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609 USA (650)475-5440 x133 (650) 475-1066 FAX jesse@xxxxxxxxxxxx www.benetech.org=20 -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Guido Corona Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:34 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: physically sending books to bookshare Jesse, it is my understanding that volunteers, disabled or able-bodied = -- can submit any number of books either through the system, or on CD.=20 However, those must be books that have been scanned and recognized by = the=20 volunteer in question, and not received from a third party or from=20 another repository. If this rule has recently been relaxed, I would in fact be delighted, = and=20 would like to know the details. Guido =20 Guido D. Corona IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx. IBM Research, Phone: (512) 838-9735 Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Visit my weekly Accessibility WebLog at: http://www-3.ibm.com/able/weblog/corona_weblog.html "Jesse Fahnestock" <Jesse.F@xxxxxxxxxxxx>=20 Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/13/2004 01:11 AM Please respond to bksvol-discuss To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] physically sending books to bookshare Elizabeth: You may certainly send us hard copy books, but we have a few caveats, = =3D and they're pretty big ones! 1. We can't pay for shipping for donations. 2. The books will be processed when we get to them -- our in-house =3D scanning operation is relatively small, and despite our fast scanner, we = =3D always have a lot more books than we have time! The books will be =3D prioritized based on needs in the collection. 3. The books won't be returned (they'll be despined) 4. The submitter will not be credited for the submissions (though he or = =3D she can claim them as a tax deductible donation) 5. If you're talking about more than 50 books or so, please right me =3D offline so I can make sure that we can accomodate them. Sarah/Guido/Noel: It's certainly fine for registered volunteers to =3D submit books on CD for processing by Bookshare.org staff/other =3D volunteers. Many have done so when they have large quantities. I think = =3D there must be some misunderstanding between you three, because I believe = =3D Guido did so before we launched, so I'm sure he knows and understand =3D that it's allowed! jesse. -----Original Message----- From: E. 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