[bksvol-discuss] Re: old books on step 1

  • From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:32:01 -0600

Hi Lissi,

Well you have presented an interesting quandary. I will do the best that I can 
given my resources, though you may want a second opinion--and of course no 
matter what anyone says Gustavo may still have a differing opinion.

First I'll ask you if you're certain the title is in all lower case. If you are 
relying on a scan of the title that can be misleading as the OCR will sometimes 
mess up on case with nonstandard fonts/font sizes. Also if you are relying on 
the library of Congress section, don't; often times that title is written in 
small letters, I just grabbed a book off my shelf to check, and despite the 
normal capitalization of the title elsewhere it appeared in all lower case on 
the copyright page. Gustavo may still want the title to be capitalized on the 
form so it looks normal--but I have never seen a book kicked back for this.

As for the author. Well, I see that whoever submitted it left off Lois Lowry. I 
would think though that this author would need to be included even though they 
only wrote a portion of the book, after all she is listed as an author on the 
copyright page, which Carrie's guidelines say to check. 

I would not think anything would need to be added in parenthesis. Add to it 
that the instructions say to represent an author already on BookShare, the name 
should match what is already in the system. So in this case I would have:

The Editors at Weekly Reader's Read Magazine, Lois Lowry

In the comments section I would paste the library of congress data just like 
you did in your email. Maybe before that write that you updated the author 
field to reflect the authors as listed on that page.

Well I hope that is a good answer.

No, the system will not have a problem if you look at the form and then close 
the window.

Good luck!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Estelnalissi 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:50 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: old books on step 1

  Dear Jake and Jill'
  ...has a certain ring to it...
  and Fellow Booksharians,

  You are discussing taking care when filling out the author field in the 
uploading form at an opportune time for the book I just finished validating 5 
minutes ago. Clarifying what I should write in the author field with you might 
prevent me from making a mistake which could send this book in to admin 
approval limbo.

  The book is dear author students write about the books that changed their 
lives , and, yes, the first letter in all of the words is lower case in the 
official title. 

  On the title page it says, Collected by Weekly Reader's Read Magazine 
Introduction by Lois Lowry. 

  The copyright is 1995 by Weekly Reader Corporation. 

  The library of congress cataloging-in-Publication Data says, Dear author; 
students write about the books that changed their lives/collected by weekly 
reader's Read magazine; introduction by Lois Lowry.

  What would you put in the Author field? 

  Usually when I go to step two and enter upload, I'm prepared and complete the 
form on the first attempt. If I were to enter upload and read the form just to 
check to see what the scanner wrote there and then closed that window without 
making any changes, would that confuse the system? The scanner is experienced 
and I might do well just to go with whatever she's filled in, but I'd really 
like your opinions. 

  About our goal for next year, in setting my own take for a group goal, I'd 
adopted one more book than we added this year which really boiled down in my 
mind to 5001. I'm really not sure when Bookshare was founded but 6 years was 
the longest I'd noticed anyone here has volunteered so I did crude math and 
figured the average for new books per year was about five thousand. I also 
remembered that influx of Spanish books which helped our total for this year. 

  Information on nonprofits suggested that their services tend to wax and wane 
in cycles dropping as one crop of administrators and volunteers lose 
enthusiasm, energy and interest and increases when a new group of people become 
involved bringing with them new ideas and vigor. My hope is that the cycle is 
such a long one with Bookshare that I won't see any waning in my lifetime. 

  Another factor is that while we'll always have thousands of books to add, 
many of the most popular will be in the collection meaning we may have to dig a 
little deeper to find choice volumes to scan and validate. 

  I'm not implying we're in danger of running out of material or will loose 
momentum any time soon. I'm just noticing our five thousand books a year 
average and thinking it's a fabulous accomplishment and a worthy goal for 2007. 

  While my interest is in validating, I also think we can all serve Bookshare 
by attracting as many subscribers as possible, because it's the demand for our 
accessible library that will fuel funding and thereby staff and technical 
improvements Bookshare must have to thrive. 

  That's my take on the big picture for a long time because where I'm happiest 
is as a validator and Bookshare consumer, so while I await your answers, it's 
on to sleep for me and then on to validate Stories Behind The Best Loved Songs 
of Christmas and The Book of Lost Tales Volume 2, for me.

  Just had a frivolous, window dressing, kind of thought, it almost being 2007. 
My personal, official, last word for a group goal for 2007 is 5007 books for 
all of Bookshare and 57 books for my validation goal. 

  In reading, scanning, validating, advising and being friends, I'm very happy 
to be among you and wish everyone a Happy New Year!

  Always With Love,

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jake Brownell 
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:41 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: old books on step 1

    Hi Jill,

    You have brought up a very good example that I think everyone can learn 

    Here's the crux of the matter, Gustavo repeatedly says:

    Please verify if Hertz and Marshall are the authors or editors of this 

    He is looking at the book's meta data, which is what is entered on the form 
on the website. Here is the author field on the form:

    Rosanna Hertz, Nancy L. Marshall

    which by ommission says they're not editors. Yet when Sarah validates the 
book in her comments she says they're editors, yet she has failed to indicate 
this on the form, thus why Gustavo has repeatedly kicked it back. (Sarah has 
been under the impression that Gustavo is looking at the title page.)

    Yes, I agree that by the third message Gustavo should have said something 
else to better communicate about this book. Presumably if both of those authors 
are editors that simply needs to be corrected on the form and the book will be 
accepted. Under that assumption, for the record they should be entered as:

    Rosanna Hertz (editor), Nancy L. Marshall (editor)

    Anybody up for giving this validation a whirl now?

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jill O'Connell 
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:43 PM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] old books on step 1

      Feeling a little guilty about the old books on step 1 I decided to 
download Working Families. What I found was a problem with whether the two 
names given as authors were really that or if they were the publishers. Sarah 
Blake tried discussing this twice with Gustavo and then gave up. I had this 
experience once myself with no meaningful feedback from him and I suspect that 
many of the other old books have the same problem. Since two other people had 
taken the book after Sarah quit and it is still on the list, you can bet I 
wouldn't touch it. My opinion is that these issues need to be dealt with in 
office unless Gustavo is going to take the time to educate us as to exactly 
what he wants us to do to convince him. 


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