I'm not sure I understand what you mean, G. Cindy. I like the idea of asterisks to hold line spaces between sections. I have not done that, sorry to say. It will be a new habit when I understand it better. But I'm uncertain about what the bksvol convention is. So, am I right about this? One line between sections with an asterisk to hold the line, and then two asterisks (two lines) before the footnote? Is this what we are considering the best thing to do? Sorry if I have missed crucial emails; my reading has been sporadic because I'm traveling a lot. Thanks for explaining this, Devorah Text Text Text Text Etc. * New section name * Text Text Text Etc. * * footnote -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:06 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question about tables Hi, Amy. The "lots of spaces" won't work any better than the tab, I've since learned--one space only, or you can use dashes. You can probably do a global Replace to replace however many spaces you used with either a couple of dashes or just one space. One space is all I use now when doing Tables of Contents. For double spacing of lines, we put asterisks in the empty line. Apparently this tells the blind readers that a space was skipped. For a while I was doing both, just because I find it difficult not to double or triple space when the print book does,and I was also putting in an asterisk, but I've bowed to the convention. In the book I'm validating now I'm putting one asterisk where there's a space between sections in the text, and two on the line above the footnote. Lissi just posted that she puts what she does with asterisks for blank line before the text, and since there is a blank page in my book before the text, I put such an explanatory note in brackets there. I'm still changing the footnotes into a smaller font, even though it won't make a difference to a blind reader. Cindy > > One problem I did not resolve and don't know how the > validater will resolve is the double-spacing of lines which > end with a return. Do you know if the Bookshare computers > have fixed that or will the indices and other odd places > end up with strange double-spacing. This had two columns > of nouns separated by space with page numbers following > each line of people, places or things > > Amy > omsm > > -- > It if be now, 'tis not to come, > If it be not to come, it will be now, > If it be now now, Yet it will come. > The readiness is all. > Wm. Shakespeare > -------------- Original message from Grandma Cindy > <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>: -------------- > > I'll have to try that next time. Do I understand you > properly Jake? I can scan a table that's in a book and > it will OCR as a table? Then why are they not turning out > properly in books that people are scanning? Why do they ask > to have me do > > something with them? > > G.Cindy > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Jake Brownell wrote: > > > > > From: Jake Brownell > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question about > tables > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:30 PM > > > Hi Devorah, > > > > > > It looks like lots of people have already given > you good > > > advice. I'll just add that you can use an > actual > > > "table" that a word processor would > use. For > > > example the tables that Microsoft Word will make > under the > > > Table menu are converted into DAISY tables, which > may add > > > extra navigation features. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Jake > > > > > > Jake Brownell > > > QA Engineer, Bookshare.org > > > jake.b@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Devorah Greenstein > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:50 PM > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] a question about > tables > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I know there have been discussions about tables > and > > > I'm sorry I don't remember what was said. > The > > > well-scanned book I'm validating has an > occasional > > > table. One table, for example, has three columns > and seven > > > rows. But some spaces are empty. I mean the left > hand > > > column has five entries, the middle column has > seven > > > entries. I'm working with a copy of the > printed book > > > because there are lots of symbols in the book, > and tarot > > > card layouts and other diagrams. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to re-type this table anyway, because I > can't > > > straighten it out as is. But as a sighted > volunteer, I > > > don't know what the best way to do it is. Can > someone > > > send me a written example? Or give me some hints? > I thought > > > maybe I need to do a bracketed validator note > explaining > > > that it's a three column table, name the > column > > > headings, sort of narrate through the table. > > > > > > Or should I just retype the table and maybe put > dashes > > > between the columns? It's all words and > names. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd love to hear suggestions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Devorah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 > - Release > > > Date: 7/6/2008 5:26 AM > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. To get a list of > > available commands, put the word 'help' by > itself in the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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