[bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.

  • From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:17:55 -0500

I just have to say that books need to continue to have pages when they are 
electronic.  I know this is not the norm any more, but how on earth do you cite 
a book properly without its page numbers?  How do you find the pages you are to 
read when there is no page navigation?  I was part of an IEP for a high school 
student today, and one of the big issues for her teachers is her lack of page 
navigation that would let her read her textbooks in class with the rest of the 
students.

It's wonderful to have scads of books to read.  I'm just not sure that 
wonderfulness outweighs the need for books that can be easily navigated.  Not 
to mention that many Braille errors are present in PQ books.  That's okay for 
an older woman like me, but for someone learning to read Braille, it's not 
useful.

Sandi

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mayrie ReNae 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:34 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.


  Hi Rik,

  I downloaded the book that you mention, and I'd like to know what daisy 
reader you're using. I can navigate by heading in this book just fine.  It's 
true that publisher quality books don't have page navigation, because, as we've 
discussed before on this list, but maybe not since you've been back with us, 
the electronic copies of books provided by the publishers to bookshare don't 
have pages or page numbers in them.  This is because page numbers and pages are 
only a function of printed books, determined by the size of print on a page and 
the size of the paper used.  The publishers choose these sizes and tell their 
printers what to do each time they want to print a copy or batch of copies from 
these electronic copies of the books.  Please ask more if that part isn't 
clear.  

  Other than that, I see heading navigation for each what appears to be a story 
or chapter of the book using both the xml files, and Kurzweil 1000 version 
12.04.

  So, if you can tell us what daisy reader you're using, maybe we can help you 
figure out why you don't see any daisy navigation in your book.

  Mayrie





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  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.


  Hi vols,

  This text below is a copy of a message sent to bookshare technical support.

  I am wondering about DAISY navigation in some of the new books in the 
Bookshare collection.  

  I was very pleased and excited to see a new book just added to the 
collection.  It says on the page that it was done by Bookshare Staff.  So I 
thought I would just contact Technical Support, to see if I could learn, or to 
give my input.

  Why do some books really have zero Daisy navigation?
  This new book, that I just downloaded (Here Comes Trouble by Michael Moore), 
really does not even have page navigation.  

  After the preliminary permission text, there is a link in Level 1 to "Begin 
Reading."  And the next time I try to go to the next navigation point, it goes 
to "End of text."

  There are numerous examples of this in other new additions. With the earlier 
books it is understandable. But now? Really?

  This is way short of what we are capable of, isn't it?
  We have the potential for 3 levels of Daisy navigation in many instances with 
the various recent devices available. And to be really providing reading 
materials, we should be able to access them as much as possible with sighted 
peers, to go to pages, chapters, and so on.

  So, please, let's see about doing this with newly added content to our 
Bookshare Collection.

  Thank you.
  Richard James
  one of the volunteers, maember since I think 2004 or so.
  d28rik@xxxxxxx

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