[bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.

  • From: Cindy Ray <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:28:43 -0500

I'm thinking it would be hard to use page numbers for sure. I think (thought) 
you got physical pages with kindles, but maybe that's not true. IBooks you sure 
don't though.

On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Mike wrote:

> Since Kindles and other ebook readers are now being used in schools, I wonder 
> how teachers assign homework.  You can't always say read chapters 1 and 2.  
> I'm sure most of the time we were given homework to do by page numbers.
> 
> Misha
> 
> On 9/29/2011 6:17 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:
>> I just have to say that books need to continue to have pages when they are 
>> electronic.  I know this is not the norm any more, but how on earth do you 
>> cite a book properly without its page numbers?  How do you find the pages 
>> you are to read when there is no page navigation?  I was part of an IEP for 
>> a high school student today, and one of the big issues for her teachers is 
>> her lack of page navigation that would let her read her textbooks in class 
>> with the rest of the students.
>> It's wonderful to have scads of books to read.  I'm just not sure that 
>> wonderfulness outweighs the need for books that can be easily navigated.  
>> Not to mention that many Braille errors are present in PQ books.  That's 
>> okay for an older woman like me, but for someone learning to read Braille, 
>> it's not useful.
>> Sandi
>> 
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>    *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>    <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>    *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:34 PM
>>    *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or
>>    lack of it.
>> 
>>    Hi Rik,
>>    I downloaded the book that you mention, and I'd like to know what
>>    daisy reader you're using. I can navigate by heading in this book
>>    just fine.  It's true that publisher quality books don't have page
>>    navigation, because, as we've discussed before on this list, but
>>    maybe not since you've been back with us, the electronic copies of
>>    books provided by the publishers to bookshare don't have pages or
>>    page numbers in them.  This is because page numbers and pages are
>>    only a function of printed books, determined by the size of print
>>    on a page and the size of the paper used.  The publishers choose
>>    these sizes and tell their printers what to do each time they want
>>    to print a copy or batch of copies from these electronic copies of
>>    the books.  Please ask more if that part isn't clear.
>>    Other than that, I see heading navigation for each what appears to
>>    be a story or chapter of the book using both the xml files, and
>>    Kurzweil 1000 version 12.04.
>>    So, if you can tell us what daisy reader you're using, maybe we
>>    can help you figure out why you don't see any daisy navigation in
>>    your book.
>>    Mayrie
>> 
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>>    *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>    [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
>>    *ohio1803@xxxxx
>>    *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:15 PM
>>    *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>    *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] new books and Daisy navigation, or
>>    lack of it.
>> 
>>    *Hi vols,*
>>    **
>>    *This text below is a copy of a message sent to bookshare
>>    technical support.*
>>    **
>>    I am wondering about DAISY navigation in some of the new books in
>>    the Bookshare collection.
>>    **
>>    I was very pleased and excited to see a new book just added to the
>>    collection.  It says on the page that it was done by Bookshare
>>    Staff.  So I thought I would just contact Technical Support, to
>>    see if I could learn, or to give my input.
>>    **
>>    Why do some books really have zero Daisy navigation?
>>    This new book, that I just downloaded (Here Comes Trouble by
>>    Michael Moore), really does not even have page navigation.
>>    **
>>    After the preliminary permission text, there is a link in Level 1
>>    to "Begin Reading."  And the next time I try to go to the next
>>    navigation point, it goes to "End of text."
>>    **
>>    There are numerous examples of this in other new additions. With
>>    the earlier books it is understandable. But now? Really?
>>    **
>>    This is way short of what we are capable of, isn't it?
>>    We have the potential for 3 levels of Daisy navigation in many
>>    instances with the various recent devices available. And to be
>>    really providing reading materials, we should be able to access
>>    them as much as possible with sighted peers, to go to pages,
>>    chapters, and so on.
>>    **
>>    So, please, let's see about doing this with newly added content to
>>    our Bookshare Collection.
>>    **
>>    Thank you.
>>    Richard James
>>    one of the volunteers, maember since I think 2004 or so.
>>    d28rik@xxxxxxx
>> 
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