[bksvol-discuss] marking books with adult statusRE: Re: I have a question please and thank you.
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:06:02 -0700
Hi, computers are a lousy judge of what is adult or not. I say, better
to leave it to the submitters who scan it and to the proofreaders. Computers
don't have any aesthetic taste. Just a thought. Regards, Kim.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:13 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
Actually, proofreaders--and formerly submitters--do have a responsibility to
determine whether a book is marked Adult or not. Or, would you rather have
that decision determined by a computer? Because that is what is happening
now. And, I can tell you--as others have mentioned and given examples
previously--that that computer decision is very conservative. So if a
proofreader decides to uncheck a book that the computer has rated as Adult,
are you saying that they should have to give an explanation as to why?
I disagree with that. I think the onus should be on those who believe a book
should be marked Adult to explain why it should be.
Teenage students are indeed blocked from seeing any book marked
Adult. Just ask Kelby about that. <smile>
Evan
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From: Chanelle <mailto:chanellemh@xxxxxxxxx> Hill
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
The adult content rating should be checked for the sake of the children--or
at least those who are very young. The question is: Are students who have
access to Bookshare automatically blocked from seeing adult content books?
Children do manage to see, hear, and read what may not be appropriate for
them, but does that mean that Bookshare should be another way for them to
gain access to explicit material? How would you define what are considered
"childrens books?" What about students in middle or high school? Should they
be stuck reading "childrens books"--especially when literature classes
expand to include Shakespeare and some British and American classics? I know
many adults who enjoy childrens books while taking pleasure in books of a
more serious nature or on subjects that are too complicated for young
children to understand. Adults should not be limited to just reading adult
books since there are books on a wide variety of subjects that do not
involve explicit content. Right now, the Bookshare volunteer manual states:
"Please use your best judgment for determining adult content. While we
understand and respect that different people have different standards for
what is acceptable subject matter, a general guideline to consider is this:
in a large well-stocked bookstore, would somebody under the age of 18 be
able to get this book off the shelf, pay for it, and walk away. Books of an
obvious explicit sexual nature or that incite hate should be considered
adult content. If unsure, mark the book as Adult Content, and explain in one
or two sentences what about the content of the book warrants this selection
in the comments field." (Section 5, Guidelines for Marking Books "Adult")
There are several things to notice about this statement. First, would minors
be able to walk away with the book in a sstandard, well-stocked bookstore?
Bookshare is a large bookstore of sorts with over 50,000 books on a wide
variety of subjects that is accessible to both minors and adults. Books that
are of obvious explicit sexual nature or incite hate should be marked, so in
many instances, perhaps the rating is given too liberally. However, it is
Bookshare's decision to rate the book as having adult content and the
statement encourages proofreaders to give an explanation of why they think
an adult rating should be given even if they are not sure. On the other
hand, it is probably all right for proofreaders to state why a book is not
adult content even if the tool gave it that rating. In short, We don't have
the responsibility of determining whether a book is or is not adult content
and some may be more hasty to give the rating than others, but we can offer
our opinions.
Chanelle
----- Original Message -----
From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
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Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
It is real easy to tell what is adult content. I can read a book and see
very quickly whether the author was intending to write for children or
adults. The ones that are clearly intended for children should be placed in
the children's category and the ones that are intended for adults should
not. Checking the adult designation for any book is effectively censorship
so it should never be checked.
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may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
Date:
9/8/2009 5:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Some of the problem might be the definition of adult content. And for that
there has never been any agreement. I recently submitted a book and I marked
it as having adult content, but when it was put into the library, it is
marked as not having adult content. So I don't know if it was the admin
staff or
what. However, like I said, the courts have never been able to agree upon
what is and what isn't so I don't think we will here either.
Denise
At 05:22 PM 9/8/2009, you wrote:
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You would think so, but alas I have no adult content selected and I got a
pretty racy novel with sex scenes and it was not ticked as adult, so it must
be
kind of hit or miss.
Take care!
Valerie
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On Behalf Of gwen tweedy
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:45 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I have a question please and thank you.
If I go up and make sure my settings are set to no adult content, does
that mean when I go into the new books or brose any category that only books
with
only no adult content will come up or will other books slip through?
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