Hello All: I think the reason PQ books don't have page numbers for the most part is because their digital files don't have numbers, or at least the ones that are meant to be published don't. I've heard sighted people talk about being "12%" into a book, as opposed to being 20 pages into a book. Not that this is helpful, because as a student, I love page numbers. They make doing my assigned reading a lot easier, since it's usually assigned as "read pages 125 to 149" or something like that, which is hard to do, even if I have the exact same edition of the book, because I don't have page numbers, and that also means I can't cite my sources properly when I'm writing papers. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandra Ryan Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 12:06 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of navigation .... in new books in Bookshare Numbers occur in books in all kinds of things: dates, measurements sometimes, years, ... so perhaps Sue's device takes her to a place like that. That's not helpful, though. In a cookbook I'd like to look at a specific recipe on a specifie page (which you can do in a volunteer book), but in a PQ book you have to know the name of the recipe, exactly how it's written (all caps or capitalized first letters, for example) and search it. Page numbers are definitely useful. But alas! I think those who produce our books these days disagree! Sandi -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:00 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of navigation .... in new books in Bookshare Hi Sue, I have a Pac Mate Omni, and I tried this with a PQ book I have with no page numbers in it, and I couldn't find anything. Evan -----Original Message----- From: Sue Stevens Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 12:37 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of navigation .... in new books in Bookshare Hi Evan, I have noticed what Rick has noticed in my BRF files. Even though page numbers aren't given, if I type a number in the find box, I am taken farther into the book. I can't say if it is actually the page I would be on if I had a hard copy of the book, but I do not get the message "not found". Rather, I am taken to another place in the book. Sue S. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Reese Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 2:00 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of navigation .... in new books in Bookshare Hi Rick, No, volunteers do not proofread the PQ books. So if they don't have the right markup, then they don't get fixed up before they get into the collection. Interesting that you should mention that page navigation works in these books. My experience with reading the brf versions of PQ books is that most of them don't have page numbers in them. Evan -----Original Message----- From: ohio1803@xxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:54 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of navigation .... in new books in Bookshare Okay. Suggestion that I make a Book Quality report. I did, I think, make this comment, in a way to bring out that point. That many books are not having the needed headings to use Daisy navigation. And as was stated, there are very very many books coming into the collection from Publisher Quality, or PQ, I guess we call it. So with hundreds and thousands of books coming in this way, those are much too numerous expect the Bookshare members to file those reports. My hope is that somehow much fewer of those books will get into the collection without better Daisy navigation. It may or may not be a volunteer issue at all, I really don't know. Do the volunteers actually do this Proofreading process for all of these? I just raised the point as a member who has experienced this a good number of times on some books I have downloaded, and found that I would go to advance to the next section, only to hear, "End of book." Left arrow, and it goes back to the beginning. Change my navigation level to page, and I am good. I am one of those who really enjoys reading Bookshare books, because I actually like the experience, and increased power of my ease of reading, because I can go to different places in the book. I am old enough to remember how it was to listen to the squirrels barking as the cassette would rewind as I would try to find a pasasge or section of a book. Or before that, would drop the needle on the old discs of the NLS player to find a place. There are lots of books I have downloaded, both staff submitted and volunteer submitted that do have really nice navigation. So I just wanted to bring it up if there is a way to see how it will navigate before it gets put up in the collection. Front end adjustments, rather than hindsight fixes. Hope that makes sense. Happy reading, happy proofreading, everyone! (smile) Rik To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. ----- No virus found in this message. 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