[bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for/save for was (Re: Re: volunteer Lori Miller)

  • From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:06:45 -0500

Hi Gwen, welcome back to the list.

Your kind words make me think of something that I have wanted to talk about for quite a while: when to release a book and when to reject a book.

First off, it's okay to release a book or even to reject a book.

Sometimes I'll take a book and find that the problems are more than I can deal with at this time. Then I'll release the book in the hopes that someone else with more time on their hands will take it and do a good job of proofreading it.

Occasionally I'll find a book with lots of scanning errors or pagination problems that can't be fixed without messing up somewhere else. Then I'll reject the book. Frankly I have no patience for those who scan two pages in single page mode, especially if the page numbers are not clear throughout. I think that I have only rejected four or five books, and most of those have been because someone scanned a book in single page mode while scanning two pages at a time.

Besides releasing or rejecting a book there is a third option for those books with scanning problems that will take away from the reading experience without completely messing up the book. You can always do as much as you can to fix the problems then submit the book with a good rating instead of an excellent rating. I don't think I've ever done this, but the option is always available.

Thanks,
Bob
"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of us will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
----- Original Message ----- From: "gwen tweedy" <gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for/save for was (Re: Re: volunteer Lori Miller)


Then that answers a question if a person really had to read a book through that they proof read I would surely mess something up if I proof read *smile* probably make a bigger mess than the actual scanner did LOL so till I get good at scanning I'll leave proof reading to those who do it so wonderfully I'm not that good yet at knowing what looks right and wrong and line by line and
punctuation that kind of thing
I'll leave that wonderful job for those who do a mighty fine job thanks for your fine work.
tight hugs to all.
Gwen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] hold for/save for was (Re: Re: volunteer Lori Miller)


Evan, this is a good description of the "hold for" procedure from a submitter's perspective.

Since I don't scan this was good to know.

I'd like to give my perspective on "hold for"s, as a proofreader. I have never, and would never, take a book labeled "hold for" unless contacted directly by the submitter, as you did in the case of Pandora's Star.

When proofreading a book I do not always read through the book unless it is one I am interested in. I believe I can do a good job without necessarily reading the entire book. When proofreading a book I rarely pay too much attention to the content. I pay more attention to the format, spelling, and things that don't make sense.

Sometime ago when we were plagued with the jiffy proofers we implemented something called "hold for reader" which meant anyone could take it, but the submitter expected them to read the entire book. At that time I did take a couple of them and spent a couple of boring weeks reading a romance book and a children's book. But at least I knew the submitter's wishes and honored them. I'd like to see the "hold for reader" thing to come back into vogue for those who wish their book to be read throughout.

Thanks,
Bob
"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of us will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
----- Original Message ----- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:35 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: volunteer Lori Miller


Still not sure that I'm following you completely here. But if I'm at least partially understanding what you're saying, then you need to put the "Hold for" or "Save for" in the title when you submit the book, not the file name. If the book doesn't have an ISBN, then you can put the "hold for" or "Save for" in the title when you fill it in. If the book does have an ISBN, then you can edit the already filled in title when the form comes up after you enter the ISBN.

People may well ignore a "hold for" or "Save for" in a file name if the book title doesn't have those words ahead of it, figuring that either the book was being held for someone that decided not to take it, and it was placed back on the Check Out page with the "Hold for" or "Save for" removed. That happens sometimes. Or for whatever other reason, if a book does not have a "Hold for" or "Save for" in the title, then the book may well be considered by this person as available for anyone to proofread regardless of what the file name says. And if, as you say, entering the ISBN overwrites the "Save for" in the file name, then there is absolutely no way for anyone to know that a book was intended for a specific person, or that it ever might have been.

Good luck.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: volunteer Lori Miller


Hi, Evan!

The first couple of books I uploaded did not have ISBN so it kept the file saved name. Like I said, it was my bad; few of my books have had an ISBN and I did not know it would replace the file name. Regardless, it was my mistake, but this is a funky book and I want to make sure the person who got it handles it right. If she had read the comments addressed to Susan, I would think she might have released the book, so I am doubly afraid she will not handle the idiosyncratic text correctly. Making matters worse, I forgot to put my email in there, again, my problem, but since I thought Susan was
getting it, it would not have mattered.

I should not submit while I am sick, I guess... too easy to miss simple
things.

Valerie

-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:58 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: volunteer Lori Miller

Sorry, Valerie, but I don't understand what you're saying here.

When you submit a book, you first upload the file, then enter the ISBN,
then
the form comes up with the title, author and whatever other info is
available. It is at that point that you can enter the "Hold for ..."
ahead
of the title. I don't follow what you mean here about the ISBN
overwriting
the title.

Just trying to figure out what happened.

Thanks.

Evan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Pavi Mehta'" <pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] volunteer Lori Miller


>I need to reach Lori Miller.  I submitted a scan for Susan L, but
>apparently
> I did not know the ISBN would overwrite the title name that had hold
for
> Susan L in it.  I forgot my email in the notes
> ( vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ) and there are a lot of "dangers" to over
> correcting that Susan and I had privately emailed about.  I need to
be
> sure
> spell check is NOT run on this as the creative spellings, misspells
and
> slang are all correct as present.  I even opened the comments with a
note
> to
> Susan specifically, but I guess it might have been overlooked.
>
> Lori, if you are on the list, please write me, and if not, Pavi, can
you
> put
> her in touch with me?  After the insane number of hours I spent on
> formatting, proofing and such, I would hate to see it accidentally
> mishandled.  Sorry for the relative newby mistake!
>
> Thanks a bunch!
> Valerie
>
>
>
>
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