[bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited

  • From: "groups Warford" <groups_warford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:18:54 -0500

Hi Shelly,
Thanks for being willing to give me a chance to validate.  I've heard very
good things about your scans.  I should be starting a new book tonight or
tomorrow and am not sure how long that will take me, and I know enough to
say that since I am a new validator, I need to give this book my full

I will definitely be checking step one and grabbing books once I've finished

Thanks again for your support of a new validator!
Cindy 4
"Success is loving life and daring to live it".
- Maya Angelou
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shelley L. Rhodes
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:24 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited

The only time I put a "hold for" is when someone expresses an interest in 
the book I have scanned, or if it is a request that I get and am filling 
without editing.  Like one that my library has that someone wants and I can 
get it.

By the by, have fun searching it, and I am happy to fill things as time 


Cindy, if you fit the above smile, I will be glad to put a Hold for Cindy on

a book, smile.

It is simple as that for me.

The two books I submitted for Lissi, Amazing World of Spiders and Amazing 
World of Birds need some editing, and Lissi has the books.

Monica W. requested the What to Sell on EBay book and expressed an interest 
in validating it carefully so I didn't have to edit it before submitting it.

I am a scanner, I don't validate, smile, never liked English class, smile, 
and really don't enjoy spell check in most of its forms, smile.

usually for books I want to read I will read through them on my Braillenote 
fixing things as I find them.

Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI
and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide
Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
Graduate Alumni Association Board

More than Any other time, When I hold a beloved book in my hand, my 
limitations fall from me, my spirit is free.
- Helen Keller

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "groups Warford" <groups_warford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited

Hi Monica,
I do understand your points as far as percentages go.  However, I do
respectfully disagree.  What I and other new members of the rowing club have
to fight is the perception that we couldn't row well and basically never
will be able to row well.  This perception was held by the long-term members
and unfortunately by the Executive Director at the time.  So, for example, I
was told that I couldn't row in windy conditions without ever having been
tested to see if that were true.  It turned out that I am one of the better
people in rowing in windy conditions because I'm not afraid of the water,
and being blind, the waves that are kicked up aren't an added distraction
the way they are for a sighted person.  We had one guy join the club and won
a silver medal at the Southeast regional championships.  However, none of
the long-term members thought he could.  And, even when he did, he was
looked at as a threat (this part, the threat, is not like Bookshare).  So,
basically the rowing club had no way for someone to prove and improve their
skill level so that a long-term member would know the newer people could b

So, what I'm feeling here from this discussion is that I, as a new
validator, don't know how to win people's trust.  What do I need to do to
show that I can or can't handle a book with scripture and so on?  It's very
subjective.  As far as a submitter and a validator who are used to working
with each other being able to talk in the room or on the phone or via Skype,
what prevents a new validator from being able to do the same if given the

Honestly, I really don't know who puts "hold for" a lot, and I never thought
and still don't think of you as doing so.  However, Dave's message did, as I
said, strike a chord and I felt much like I do with the rowing club.
Everything is subjective and how do I improve and how do others know I have

I mean this very respectfully, and I expect our opinions will never mesh.
That's fine with me; just please don't take my opinions personally and I
will try to follow my own advice.

Thanks for taking the time to write,.  I always learn from your insights and
experience, and I thank you very much for that!

Cindy 4


From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:43 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited

Hi, Cindy. I do understand what you are saying. I think there is a big
difference in what's happening here and in your rowing club. Here's why.
There are literally over 400 books which do not have a hold on them that a
new volunteer is welcome to work on. The holds make up a fairly small
portion of the step 1 list at any given time. Right now, there are 431 books
on step 1. There are 10 books with holds on them. That's less than two
percent of the total of books available for validation. I could understand
your concerns if we were seeing over a hundred holds on step 1 and new
volunteers could only work on the textbooks floating around on step 1. Most
of us who submit books actually upload quite a lot of books without holds.
For example, three of the last five books I've submitted haven't had any
holds on them. The other two books had holds because the books were needed
in a time-sensitive manner, one for a book club and one because it's a
Christmas book. When we have the opportunity to work with someone on a
specific project, I think we should have the freedom to choose to work as we
see fit. We can do the hold thing, or we could just call a person on the
phone and upload our book while we're talking so they can grab it
immediately. The result would be the same, though you wouldn't see "hold
for" on the website. It would just take something that's done openly and
push it underground, emphasizing the kind of cliquish behavior Dave wrote
about in his post. I can't speak for anyone else here. I'd rather see the
holds done openly so we all know what's going on and who is doing what. I
don't think this is an issue unless the holds reach the thirty percent level
or more, or if they are used to prevent someone from validating at all. I
just don't see that happening.

Monica Willyard

groups Warford wrote:

Hi Dave,

I usually don't really enjoy controversy, but this strikes a chord with me.

In a lot of ways I agree with you.


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