Yes, you all are luckier than we sighted people in that regard. Several times I've looked for books, usually for bookshare, and the only ones available to me are in reference in the main library which is hard to get too and some distance away. It's fortunate that with bookshare we have volunteers from all over the country, so that some books unavailable in one place can be obtained in another, and that we have people willing to scan out-of-print and hard to get books to add to the collection. Cindy --- Peninnah Fleischer <peggyfleischer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Katie and everyone, > > Being a home schooling family, we often end up > using books that are out of > print or in limited printings. I try to scan these > books for Bookshare even > if they have limited interest. My thinking is that > if they are limited for > sighted readers they are probably nonexistent in > libraries for the blind. > Some companies that I buy curriculum through send a > free book if you buy > enough of their products and if those aren't already > on Bookshare, I scan > those too. I just got a Trail Blazer book that is > not in the collection so > I'll be doing that one next. It's great that there > are several of us doing > out of print and hard to find books. > > > Peninnah Fleischer > > Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your > mouth, but that which is > good to the use of edifying, that it may minister > grace unto the hearers. > > Ephesians 4:29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katie Hill" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Rethinking A Decision > > > > Hello Lissi and Monica, > > > > Yes, Lissi, you bring up some interesting points. > Having access from > > multiple sources is good. One never knows due to > funding or even natural > > disasters could dry up a source of books. You > mention rare and out of > > print > > books. I have begun to look for some books that I > have an interest in. I > > have three in particular that are on the way and > in the queue now. > > The book of knowledge, the keys of Enoch by J J > Hurtak > > The cube of space by Kevin Townley > > And Penetration by Ingo swann. > > I realize these are not books that would take the > top download award but > > all > > three of these are out of print and from requests > are not available in the > > libraries we have access too. IN time I may end up > reselling them but they > > will be coming soon for our more eclectic readers. > > > > I have noticed there are those of us that have > interests that would never > > get on NLS because of the limited interest. > > > > I have been here two years or so now and having > Bookshare and my Kurzweil > > and scanner has opened up a wonderful and amazing > world of books that were > > only a dream unless I could get someone to read > them to me. > > > > Thank-you to all the volunteers that work week in > and week out to expand > > the > > library and I do hope that Bookshare continues to > grow and expand, adding > > new features and making this wealth of books more > widely available. > > > > Huggles Katie > > > > Change comes by living in the question > > Katie Hill > > Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Estelnalissi > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:22 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Rethinking A > Decision > > > > Dear Monica, and Booksharian Friends, > > > > Please don't mind my too long, too emotional and > too fanciful reply to > > your > > post about whether or not to duplicate web braille > books for Bookshare.The > > short version of my opinion is an emphatic, Yes, > duplications are well > > worth > > > > adding to Bookshare. > > > > When books are available from both web braille and > Bookshare, I usually > > read > > > > the web braille versions because I know the > accuracy will be impeccable. > > When Cindy said she thought I'd enjoy Susan > Cooper's Dark is Rising set of > > 5 > > > > fantasy books for middle grade children, I > downloaded the first, then the > > second book from web braille. That's before I knew > she'd validated > > bookshare's copy of all 5 books in a single > volume. She validates so > > carefully, I could have downloaded that version > with confidence. Now, I'm > > really involved in the story and ready to read, > "Greenwitch," the third > > book, but since Saturday, my computer has been > unable to complete the > > download process for web braille. It's a good > thing for me that my finicky > > computer still downloads Bookshare's files so I > can finish the series > > whether I solve my problem with web braille or > not. > > > > I agree with Cindy's thoughts about clichï¿½s. They > are repeated until they > > become part of our vocabulary because they are so > often true. So, > > regarding > > your consideration of whether it is worth the > effort to scan and validate > > titles for Bookshare which are available in web > braille, my opinion is > > yes. > > Let's not put all of our eggs in one basket, I.e. > all of our copies of > > books > > > > on one shelf. > > > > I don't dwell on it, but one of my recurring > nightmarish what ifs is, > > "What > > if computers failed and paper braille books burned > and were discontinued?" > > What if NLS or Bookshare disbanded with no > organization to preserve their > > books?" > > > > With the abundance of multiple copies of print > books, sighted readers have > > more assurance that they'll be able to own or find > books they want to > > read. > > Even for them, the availability of books is > precarious as libraries seem > > to > > keep only books with high circulation and > wonderful books which lack mass > > appeal go out of print every day. > > > > Amber recently scanned a children's book about the > holocaust, called, > > "Children of Bach," which was published I believe > 15 years ago. My Summit > > County libraries only have 2 copies. Amazon has 3 > copies used and new > > starting at over sixty dollars. Though it's a good > book, it lacked mass > > appeal because the children were so comforted by > classical music which > > doesn't interest the majority of today's kids, and > because its depiction > > of > > the holocaust was thought, by reviewers to have > bypassed too many > > graphically horrible details. Children of Bach is > too good a book not to > > be > > available to us. I appreciate it that Amber took > time to scan it. In a few > > years, it might be so obscure that it wouldn't > have any chance of being > > added to the collection. > > > > When I was a teenager I read several Dickens > novels I loved. They aren't > > available on web braille or paper braille, now. > Project Gutenberg has > > them, > > but if there's a way to convert those files to > braille, I haven't learned > > it. So, the fact that some books are on web > braille now doesn't guarantee > > they'll be there in the future, and I do > understand there are no > > guarantees > > about anything. > > > > I digressed, but my point is that the more places > books are preserved > > where > > they can be accessed by the masses, in our case, > by the print impaired, > > the > > less likelihood they have of vanishing. > > > > I was profoundly saddened when I read about > Alexander the Great's ruined > > library. Our understanding of history would be > vastly different if that > > fabulous collection of ancient manuscripts hadn't > been lost. > > > > Thank you, Monica, for bringing up this > interesting topic for discussion. > > > > Always with love, > > > > Lissi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:08 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Rethinking A > Decision > > > > > >> I'm no computer whiz, believe me, but I believe > that the reason we are > >> able to have Web Braille is that it is based on > the way books are > >> published in hard copy and really has nothing to > do with the digital > >> issue. I know Judy Dixon could explain all of > this to us but I probably > >> wouldn't understand her answer. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:23 PM > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Rethinking A Decision > >> > >> > >>> Hi, everyone. Something has been bugging me > over the past few days, and > >>> I'd really like some input from you all. After > reading a couple of > >>> articles about the General Accounting Office > suggesting that NLS funding > >>> for going digital should be denied, I'm becoming > worried about a > >>> decision > > > >>> several of us made some time back. As has been > discussed here before, > >>> many of us do not scan books that are available > in WebBraille since that > >>> would be a duplication of efforts. We do scan > books that are available > >>> on cassette only because we have several users > with hearing impairments > >>> who can't listen to tapes. If funding for going > digital is not > >>> approved, > > > >>> will that impact existing NLS services? Brf > files are digitally > >>> prepared, aren't they? If so, should we rethink > our decision not to > >>> scan > > > >>> books that are on WebBraille? As a person who > can hear, I know I can > >>> just move to Audible and get commercially > available audiobooks. I'm > >>> trying hard to be aware of the needs of people > who don't have that > >>> option. Maybe I'm worrying over nothing here. > If I am, a friendly > >>> "chill out" message would be appreciated. > (smile) > >>> > >>> > >>> "Don't let yesterday use up too much of today!" > Will Rogers > >>> Monica Willyard, rhyami@xxxxxxxxx > >>> Add rhyami to your Skype if you'd like to chat. > >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > to > >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. To get a list > >>> of available commands, put the word 'help' by > itself in the subject > >>> line. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus > Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release > >>> Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM > >>> > >>> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > to > >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. 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