[bksvol-discuss] Re: formatting question

  • From: Mike <mlsestak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:37:23 -0700

I'm glad that works for someone. I actually tried that the first time I heard about the method, but got an error message that said I could not use wild cards and special characters like ^p in the same search. Maybe my version of word is just too old *sigh*.


Misha

Soronel Haetir wrote:
You can save having to do this step for each letter of the alphabet by
using a search pattern of [a-z].  You have to enable Use wild-cards
(made visible with the More button in the Find/Replace dialog.

As an example, I created a new document and typed "ab" into it, I then
did a Replace of [a-z] with c, after which the document contained cc
instead of ab.

If you need to keep part of what you found and put it into the
replace, you can use parenthesis as in  the following example:
Find: ([a-z])
Replace: \1^p

Please note that the character before the 1 is actually a back-slash.
JAWS is telling me it is a right brace, but that is incorrect.  I get
the correct character when I copy paste out of the e-mail.

The parenthesis in the find create a match element that can be used in
the replace, here corresponding to the \1 in my example.

After running this Find/Replace on the same document the two c
characters are now on separate lines.

Again, this only works if you have the use wild-cards check-box
marked.  If you have any questions I'll be happy to attempt answers.

On 9/19/09, Mike <mlsestak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mayrie is right.  Serves me right for working from memory instead of
looking up my notes to myself on how to do it.  The replace should be
the lower case letter followed by a space.  That's why I make backups
whenever I do something that could turn out badly, I make mistakes.

Misha

Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Misha,

        I have found that if I put a space before the letter in the replace
box, words don't get run together.  If you replace the paragraph mark
followed by a lower case letter with nothing except a letter, words get
run
together.

Just a suggestion.

Mayrie



-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:56 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: formatting question

If you are using Word, the ^p will find paragraph marks.  The way I have
done this takes twenty-six find and replaces plus occasional by hand
correction.  Since sentences don't usually begin with a lower case letter,
in find put ^p then a letter and just the letter in the replace box.  That
gets rid of most of the extra paragraph marks.  You will still have extra
paragraph marks where there is a word that is capitalized like a name in
the
middle of a sentence, but there is one of these extra paragraph marks in
front of it.  For a sighted person, it is usually pretty easy to scan
through the book and notice these remaining paragraphs that start in the
middle of a sentence.  I didn't invent the technique, I got it from
someone
else on this discussion list.  Oh, and of course, as Bob said, make
backups
first.

Or, you can reject the book with the reason being the paragraph marks
after
every line.  At the least, if the scanner left contact info you should
tell
him or her of the problem.

Misha

Valerie Maples wrote:

Thanks, Mayrie!  What is the keystroke in find and replace for a
carriage return/paragraph mark?  Or, do I just remind them one by one?
Either is fine; it is under 200 pages, and I can plunk away at it.  I
just wish there were doubles to be sure I get true paragraphing right.

Have a great night!

Valerie





-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:46 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: formatting question

Hi Valerie,

        Unless the book is poetry, you definitely want to get rid of extra
paragraph marks.  Even using only synthesized speech to read, an
improper pause is inserted where those paragraph marks exist that
aren't supposed to be there.

        Very often, new people scanning books do not know to turn off the
setting that inserts paragraph marks at the end of each of the lines
on the printed page.  I  was one of these people who didn't know.  I
thought, "Oh, we want the book to look like it did in print, so I
should keep the line endings where they were in the book."  I didn't
know that each line ending actually made a new paragraph begin, or
that those foreshortened lines were very awkward for folks using a
much wider screen to read.

Kellie taught me about removing those.  And I know that lots and lots
of people, blind and not have been grateful that I get rid of those
extra paragraph marks now!

So, long story short, yes, please, do get rid of paragraph marks that
don't happen in the book, unless you are proofreading poetry.  In
that case, the only way to keep line endings where they belong in
poetry is to have paragraph marks at the ends of every line.

Mayrie



-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie
Maples
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:48 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] formatting question

I am working on a book right now that has needed a lot of formatting
work.
One of the things I noticed in trying to remove all the soft page
breaks after determining the pagination that every single line has a
paragraph marker after it. I typically only see that at the end of
the paragraph.
Is
it okay to remove it or are they simply being used as line breaks? It
leads to a very choppy right margin and peculiar spacing if you use
full justification. It seems it would be better off to remove them so
the text flowed more naturally or could be managed better by people
who might magnify it. I am sure I did not fully describe this and it
may be an annoying question to people who do not utilize visual
context for reading, but I find it very hard to proofread, so I can
imagine it would be equally awkward to read the text in its current
format. It most certainly does not actually resemble the actual book
in its current state.  Any thoughts?

Thanks as always for your help!

Valerie





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