[bksvol-discuss] Re: font size
- From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:10:47 +0000
I am not familiar with any of the files you are talking about except that my WordPerfect has a Word compatible program. I am unhappy with most of the Wordperfect compatible program because it keeps ending up with a read only labels and I have to keep changing it to correct it. That's why I stopped using it. I don't have any Braille because I am not blind nor do I use a braille translater. I am not even sure what it is. But at least with Kurzweil I have a reader. When I first learned Kurzweil with the free trial, the tech set it up for Times New Roman as that was a clear font that did not give me problems like an ri looking like and n. He assured me that when I uploaded the book it would look like it did when I downloaded or scanned it. Even if it is in a different font, which I doubted but never really checked, the only place I change the font internally was in specific cases where the text had
bold
or italics I could use edit>font>italics permitted or bold permitted and do that for whatever length I had highlighted. However, when I go back to the text it is back to a text that does not permit italics or bold print. If it is consistent in size an shape with bold and/or italics only where they are supposed to be. As long as the final edition matches the text I scanned I will be delighted.
-------------- Original message from "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: --------------
> Hi Amy,
>
> I think I'm doing about what you are doing, except I use Word and not Kurzweil.
> smile. Since I don't have Kurzweil, I use the NFBTRANS program for back
> translating braille, and end up with a plain text file.
>
> The rft files I download for validating, however, contain much more visually
> rich information, such as bolding and italics. Those characteristics I try to
> preserve to as close as I believe the original publisher created as possible.
> smile.
>
> Judy s.
>
> Amy Goldring Tajalli wrote:
> >
> > Judy,
> >
> > I am not familiar with Daisy as for some reason it will not work on my
> > computer even before my Windows went crazy. With Kurzweil, I read most
> > of the books I download and adjust the print size and , where the font
> > is a problem, I change it. My one problem I have not figured out how to
> > fix is with very dark print. That is where I have to switch to a
> > different font altogether because the font does not show as being bold
> > but my eyes hurt after reading for a few minutes. Like you, I have sight
> > but am visually disabled and have enough trouble getting my eyes to find
> > a focal point so that I can read one page at a time and not two
> > overlapping ones. I make what adjustments I can but I still think where
> > possible it is best to know what the writer wanted us to see if there is
> > something there to be seen If the font is irrelevant, than I don't
> > hesitate to make it as legible as possible. That is why when I need to I
> > switch the whole book to a New T imes R oman. It is the simplest, plain
> > print I have found and easy on the eyes. This font, when plain and not
> > bold, can replace the bold print even if the whole book is bold, dark
> > print. I think the Bookshare computer or the scanner's computer does not
> > realize that some prints are "officially" bold and need to be changed
> > for the non-bold equivalent font.
> >
> > Amy
> > omsm
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Judy s."
> > : --------------
> >
> >
> > > Mayrie is correct - it's been my experience that fonts end up
> > being a bazillion
> > > different sizes when books are scanned. As a sighted but disabled
> > Bookshare
> > > member, this makes books that are in the collection very
> > difficult to read when
> > > I unpack a Daisy file and use the html for visual reading. When I
> > download a
> > > book to validate - and I've validated close to 100 books now -
> > almost all of the
> > > .rft files have widely varying fonts throughout the scans, unless
> > the individual
> > > who scanned the book has checked and and standardized the fonting.
> > >
> > > As Mayrie said, it's not necessary for submissions to address
> > this. However, it
> > > literally takes only about 30 seconds using Word, and a few
> > keystrokes, to
> > > change an entire book to have one consistent font throughout. smile.
> > >
> > > As a sighted Bookshare member, I can tell you that it puts an
> > additional barrier
> > > into reading, and it makes books on Bookshare less accessible to
> > have books with
> > > wildly variable fonting.
> > >
> > > The best way I can describe it as a visual experience in
> > equivalent listening
> > > terms is that it's as if narrator varies from whispering to
> > shrieking and every
> > > noise level in-between, going back and forth constantly in volume
> > and emphasis
> > > with no rhyme or reason. smile.
> > >
> > > I usually download, back-translate and read braille books from
> > the collection.
> > > That way I get a file that I find much more readable, even though
> > it loses
> > > appropriate fonting and formatting that a well-done Daisy file
> > preserves,
> > > formatting that enhances the reading experience for the visual
> > reader.
> > >
> > > The Daisy conversion does preserve the fonting, by the way, in my
> > experience
> > > based on the books I've downloaded that are in the collection. I
> > recall reading
> > > somewhere that Daisy conversion has difficulties with teeny fonts
> > and
> > > massively huge fonts - but I can't speak to that specifically, as
> > I've never
> > > been involved with a Daisy conversion from the technical side.
> > >
> > > Judy s.
> > >
> > > Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> > > > Hi Nancy,
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if regulating the font is a common practice. I
> > > > just know that I do it so that people reading with their eyes
> > won't have
> > > > to read a book with a bazillion different font sizes in it. I
> > have been
> > > > told that without regulating the font that Kurzweil isn't
> > consistent
> > > > throughout a given book at all. Drives sighted readers nuts,
> > and takes
> > > > me less than thirty seconds in Microsoft Word to change it to
> > all one
> > > > font when protecting page numbers and changing em dashes to
> > double hyphens.
> > > >
> > > > Mayrie
> > > >
> > > > At 04:09 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
> > > >> Trying again,
> > > >>
> > > >> Is it a common practice to change the size font a book has if
> > you are
> > > >> the scanner?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Nancy
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy"
> > > >>
> > > >> To:
> > > >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:07 AM
> > > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: font size
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> I'm not positive that I understand your question, but I'll try.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> One can change font size and type in Word, and I do for chapter
> > > >>> titles and places where the print book has enlarged type,
> > e.g., for
> > > >>> store signs in one book I validated, or newspaper headlines in
> > > >>> another. But my scanner doesn't convert to the exact fonts
> > that are
> > > >>> in the book. For some of the validations I've done I've had
> > to make
> > > >>> enlarged fonts smaller because they don't fit on the page. I
> > was told
> > > >>> in the past that some don't fit properly on people's Braille
> > readers
> > > >>> or whatever they're using to read, also. I seem to remember,
> > and hope
> > > >>> I'm not wrong, that a size of 36 was the largest that would
> > fit. Of
> > > >>> course that would depend on the font style, because some are
> > smaller
> > > >>> than others, but to be safe I don't enlarge anything more
> > than 36.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> G.Cindy
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> From: NANCY M HILL
> > > >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: font size
> > > >>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>> Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:36 PM
> > > >>>> Is there a place where you can adjust font size? Would you
> > > >>>> adjust the font
> > > >>>> size for any reason other to help you proof or validate the
> > > >>>> book if you had
> > > >>>> useable vision?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Nancy
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
> > > >>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:12 AM
> > > >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: font size
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Curtis,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> K1000 scans the print of the book at the size of the
> > > >>>> print - which I
> > > >>>> cannot read most of the time. When I first learned the
> > > >>>> program, the Kurzweil
> > > >>>> tech showed me how to set the size by magnification and I
> > > >>>> did not even
> > > >>>> notice the font or font size. Magnification does not change
> > > >>>> anything at base
> > > >>>> except what the scanner sees. It does not effect the final
> > > >>>> size which is
> > > >>>> what the book is in. All the corrections show up within the
> > > >>>> original text in
> > > >>>> the places I put them. If there is a problem, I ask that
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> editor/validator double check but most of the books I have
> > > >>>> submitted have
> > > >>>> been accepted as they were without going to step 2. If I am
> > > >>>> really worried,
> > > >>>> I make a note to have something checked for me so it will
> > > >>>> go to step 2. If
> > > >>>> not, I down load it when it is in the collection and double
> > > >>>> check there.
> > > >>>> Only once have I requested that the final form was bad
> > > >>>> enough that I want it
> > > >>>> sent back for rescanning and will be doing that soon.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Amy
> > > >>>> oms m
> > > >>>> < br>If it be now, 'tis not to come,
> > > >>>> If it be not to come, it will be now,
> > > >>>> If it be not now, yet it will come.
> > > >>>> The readiness is all.
> > > >>>> William Shakespeare.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -------------- Original message from Curtis Delzer
> > > >>>> : --------------
> > > >>>> Fascinating, every book I've read using K1000, for
> > > >>>> some reason, I did
> > > >>>> not pay attention at all to the font or it's size. hmm!
> > > >>>> :) Maybe I'm getting
> > > >>>> ... what? forgetful? or .. what? :)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Curtis Delzer
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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