Oh good. Now I can only insert page numbers which begin chapters I guess and the converter will fill in the rest.
E. At 06:10 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
Hi Reggie,To answer your question, we are in the process of creating a policy around page numbers that we will share with the volunteer community when it's been properly defined. Until then, here's our take on it -- the converter will put in page numbers for you, but even so, we appreciate volunteers including page numbers to help the quality check process. It helps us a great deal to have page numbers on books when approving them, so that we can more easily spot missing or duplicated pages.Warm regards, Pavi Pavi Mehta Volunteer Coordinator, Bookshare Benetech 480 S. California Ave., Suite 201 Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609 USA Phone: +1 650 644-3459 pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx www.benetech.org The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity A Nonprofit Organization -----Original Message-----From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Reggie & BrooksSent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:34 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What The New Converter Does and thwanks to Marilyn!Oops just saw my mistake. The books have page breaks but not numbers. Same question as below. Thanks. Reggie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Reggie & Brooks Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:55 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What The New Converter Does and thanks to Marilyn! Thank you Pavi and Jake. One more question. I have been working on a couple of books that have no page breaks. Will one be put in automatically, should I try to put them in, or just leave it alone? By the way, thanks Marilyn for the help. Sorry I did not see the large print designation before you originally got Coal Black Horse. Continuing to read, and hope you had success getting the other edition. Thanks so much. Reggie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavi Mehta Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:01 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] What The New Converter Does Hi Folks, Exciting news! At our request, Bookshare's Jake Brownell wrote up a detailed explanation of how the new converter works and how it interfaces with our volunteer work. I distilled his explanation into the three guidelines below (we will include these in the volunteer manual shortly and also let volunteers who are not on this list know). Jake's terrific write up is included in its entirety at the end of this mail (Thank you Jake!) Guidelines for Chapter Headings & Page Numbers 1. The new converter removes the unwanted running headers and footers (author name, book title, chapter title) at the top of the page for you. Caveat: The converter is an improvement on the stripper but occasionally may leave a header in or remove a legitimate piece of text. If you come across an occurrence of "unintended stripping" please report it to us. 2. Ensuring that chapter headings are in a font size bigger than the rest of the text helps the new converter recognize them more easily. You no longer have to do anything beyond that to protect chapter headings. 3. You do not have to move page numbers from the bottom to the top. The converter places recognized page numbers at the top of each page for you. Jake's Explanation of the New Converter: We have anew RTF converter as part of the new platform we launched early this year. Along with the RTF converter is a new tool designed to process running headers, running footers, page numbers and chapters. The term chapters in this context is really any generic section of a book, but since most books use chapters, for the sake of discussion we'll use that term. The terms running headers and running footers refers to text on books that is repetitious at the top or bottom of nearly all pages and is something usually ignored during the reading of a standard print book. Examples of running headers and running footers are the book title, the author's name or a chapter title. Running headers are much more common in practice than running footers. The tool attempts to do several things. It attempts to identify and remove running headers and running footers from the text, so that this information is not repeated on every page by TTS engines, interrupting the flow of the book. The tool also attempts to identify page numbers on each page and handle them appropriately for each format DAISY or BRF. (For DAISY this means placing the page number in the special pagenum tag that tells a DAISY player that the enclosed text is a page number. It's that tag that allows a DAISY player to skip to different pages. For BRF books this means placing the page number at the end of a line of dashes so that it can be easily located.) Does all of this sound familiar? Veteran volunteers might recognize the above steps as those that our old, now defunct tool used to do. Our new tool does each of them more accurately producing much better results. The new tool also attempts to locate chapters within a book. If the tool can reasonably identify some sort of consistent divisions throughout a book, it will make appropriate DAISY levels and headings. Note, don't confuse "headings" with "headers." Headings are similar to those found on web pages. This additional markup can help with navigation. What does all of this imply? The old tool was overzealous in the removal of text it considered to be a running header or running footer. The new tool is more conservative about what it should remove. For example, the old tool might have considered the text at the start of a chapter to be a running header, e.g. "Chapter 10" or "Chapter 15." Some volunteers elected to "protect" that text by placing a dummy header above it such as "***". This should no longer be necessary with the new tool. In fact, the new tool in the best of circumstances will recognize "Chapter 10" as a new chapter and mark it as such. Is it still more accurate to strip running headers and footers by hand? The best result is to remove the running headers and running footers by hand, but this is a time consuming process. It's also a time consuming process to ensure the headers match exactly. The new tool will allow minor variations in a running header and footer, but since we wanted to air on the side of caution, some headers or footers might be left in the text. How are chapters identified among all the text? We use a few different techniques and may add more in the future. Right now the easiest way to identify chapters is when the text of the header is slightly larger than the rest of the text. For example the normal text might be 12 pt while the chapter text is in 16 pt. Other factors can affect the identification, but that's an easy rule of thumb. Some books have page numbers at the top and others at the bottom; does it matter where they are in the scan? The easy answer is no, it does not. When processing a book we look at text between two page breaks. When a page number is located either at the top or bottom of the page, the text between the page breaks is associated with that number. When generating DAISY and BRF we place the associated page number in the correct spot, which for both formats is at the beginning of the page. So effectively if the page number is at the bottom of the page, we move it to the top. All good things, Pavi Mehta Volunteer Coordinator, Bookshare Benetech 480 S. California Ave., Suite 201 Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609 USA Phone: +1 650 644-3459 pavim@xxxxxxxxxxxx www.benetech.org The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity A Nonprofit Organization No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00 To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. No virus found in this incoming message. 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