[bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback on how to protect headings such as chapter titles and short story titles
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:35:56 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks for that info, Evan. I do like to have the
books follow the print book as closely as possible if
it doesn't inconvenience anyone.
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cindy, don't worry about skipped lines before a
> chapter title slowing down
> Braille readers. The Braille translator eliminates
> every blank line in the
> file. Believe me, I can prove it from my own
> submissions and validations. So
> I don't think you should change anything, since they
> probably make things
> look better for those who can see the text.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:13 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback on how to
> protect headings such as
> chapter titles and short story titles
>
>
> > Dear Lissi,
> >
> > Thanks for your informative post. From your
> checking I
> > gather that it's not necessary to write an extra
> word
> > to save the chapter as long as the page number is
> at
> > the top. Useful info. And I had no idea that the
> > skipped lines before a chapter title would slow
> down
> > braille readers. I'll stop doing that. And I
> suppose I
> > might as well stop centering chapter titles and
> leave
> > them flush left.
> >
> > As a sighted person, I never notice page numbers
> when
> > I read, whether they are at the top or the bottom,
> > unless I don't have a decent bookmark and want to
> > remember where I left off reading. Of course if I
> were
> > writing a paper on a book I'd need to cite the
> pages,
> > possibly.
> >
> > Cindy
> > --- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Kellie, Lori, E. and Booksharian Friends,
> >>
> >> Kellie, you are so right. As long as we are lucky
> >> enough to get new volunteers, and until the thing
> is
> >> dismantled, the question about what is a stripper
> >> and how can we outsmart it will be asked. But, E,
> >> with all of your success and vast experience as a
> >> validator, I can't figure out why this issue
> upsets
> >> you.
> >>
> >> Protecting chapter numbers and names is easy.
> Jamie,
> >> Gerald, and others have explained it and we'll
> keep
> >> explaining it whenever it's a new volunteer's
> turn
> >> to learn it. Lori, you'll be relieved at how easy
> it
> >> is to make sure your chapter names stay put and
> its
> >> so easy it's no trouble at all and takes mere
> >> seconds per chapter.
> >>
> >> here is the formula
> >>
> >> page break
> >> blank line
> >> page number
> >> blank line
> >> chapter name
> >> blank line
> >> Text.
> >>
> >> When I started out, volunteers taught me this
> simple
> >> sequence, and I've enjoyed becoming expert enough
> to
> >> pass it on now and then as new volunteers
> subscribe
> >> to our list.
> >>
> >> When I read E was going to stop validating rather
> >> than risk her chapter names disappearing, I
> decided
> >> I must be misunderstanding her or she was having
> a
> >> bad day, as we all have bad days now and then
> >> including me.
> >>
> >> I haven't worried about the stripper for a year
> and
> >> a half except to think what a funny name it has
> when
> >> I feel like letting my thoughts stray on the
> raunchy
> >> side.
> >>
> >> I've been wanting to come clean about something
> for
> >> several months. and now is a good time to do it.
> >> Since it protects chapter names to put page
> numbers
> >> at the tops of the pages where they are, I
> decided
> >> about 50 books ago to move all of the page
> numbers
> >> in the books I validate to the top of the pages
> so
> >> the numbers will be in a consistent location. I
> >> don't play fast and loose with the book format.
> I'm
> >> doing this for good reasons. Having all of the
> page
> >> numbers at the top of the pages is so helpful to
> >> people reading with braille displays and it
> doesn't
> >> confuse listeners or print readers either.
> >>
> >> When a sighted person glances at a page, they can
> >> see the page number before they begin reading no
> >> matter where it is located because their eye
> takes
> >> in all of the page in the fraction of a second. I
> >> think a braille reader shouldn't have to wait
> until
> >> the end of a page to know what page they are
> >> reading.
> >>
> >> When we search a page, like page 87, we shouldn't
> >> land at the end of the page we want but at its
> >> start. Page numbers at the bottoms of pages are
> >> especially confusing to more than half of the
> young
> >> children reading braille books. If the teacher
> says
> >> to start on page 45, if the number is at the
> bottom,
> >> the child finds page 45, then has to tediously
> check
> >> backwards, up, to find where the page starts.
> >> Telling kids that when they want page 45 they
> should
> >> look for page 44 is terribly confusing and more
> >> confusing when the teacher says, "but sometimes
> you
> >> should look for 45 when you want 45. It depends
> on
> >> the book.
> >>
> >> I feel proud that all of the books I've validated
> in
> >> the past several months are standardized with all
> >> page numbers at the tops of the pages and I don't
> >> mind the extra time it has taken for me to move
> them
> >> there.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I did something that to me is extremely
> >> boring to make sure my advice about protecting
> >> chapter names is sound. I downloaded 7 of my own
> >> validations to my flash card and checked them on
> my
> >> braille note. When I validate, I read every word
> of
> >> the book making corrections as I go. Then I do a
> >> spell check, because by then I know which words
> may
> >> be spelled oddly because of dialect and ignore
> them
> >> when the computer says they are wrong when I know
> >> they are right. Last I go through and check that
> all
> >> page numbers are present. I should stop being
> >> astonished that on occasion I've found that I
> >> actually skipped a page number or repeated it.
> Shoo.
> >> Then I'm glad I took time to double check.
> >>
> >> Honestly, I never give chapter names or the
> stripper
> >> a single thought. I systematically do the blank,
> >> number, blank, chapter name, blank, text, thing
> or
> >> on regular pages blank, page number, blank, text,
> >> and leave a blank line at the bottom of every
> single
> >> page between the last line of text and the page
> >> break. I trust that all will be fine and it is!
> >>
> >> Anyway, after all of that care, by the time I
> upload
> >> a book after validating it I'm tired of it and
> don't
> >> want to read it again and I don't want to see
> where
> >> I may have overlooked a boo boo so I rarely
> download
> >> my own work.
> >>
> >> As I said, tonight was the exception. I
> downloaded
> >> the following books which I've validated.
> >>
> >> Barry Trotter and the Unauthorized Sequel
> >> Green Lake
> >> The Black Cauldron
> >> Marvin Redpost Why Pick On Me
> >> The Prince in the Heather
> >> Terror On Tuesday
> >> Why Cats Do That
> >>
> >> All of the chapter heads were there! I thought
> they
> >> would be, but to be sure, I've been heating up my
> >> braille note checking and checking and checking.
> In
> >> one book the chapters were just indicated by
> roman
> >> numerals. All of them were where they belonged.
> In a
> >> couple other they were Arabic numerals. In one or
> >> two others they were numbers spelled out. In one
> >> they were words, like, "Why Do Cats Scratch The
> >> Furniture?" Not a single chapter number or name
> was
> >> missing.
> >>
> >> Don't sweat the stripper. Don't sweat the small
> >> stuff.
> >>
> >> Oh, and don't worry about putting in tons of
> extra
> >> consecutive blank lines like 7 in a row because a
> >> chapter starts in the middle of a page. Having
> that
> >> blank space doesn't change the meaning of the
> >> content of the text. It slows down braille
> readers
> >> and bookshare tools eliminate big white spaces. A
> >> single blank line above and below the page number
> >> makes everything clear and readable.
> >>
> >> Get back to work, E. That stripper can't get the
> >> best of us. including you. In fact, the poor
> >> stripper is just a flop, a white elephant which
> >> we've outsmarted almost from the day it tried and
> >> failed to do its job. The engineers are so busy
> >> making improvements to the site, the silly white
> >> elephant stripping is in some dusty electronic
> >> corner being ignored. 'We have bigger, more
> >> important fish for the staff to fry, don't we?
> >>
> >> Oh, and, Lucy and Charlie, I validated Why do
> Cats
> >> Do That from an Excellent scan from Jamie Yates
> just
> >> for you. Would you please write me off list and
> let
> >> me know if the cat loving author knows what she's
> >> talking about? I loved the book. It has 40 short,
> >> light hearted, but factual chapters about the
> ways
> >> of cats, but since I've only had one cat in my
> >> lifetime, I would love to have your expert
> opinions.
> >> Did you laugh, scoff, agree or file a suit
> against
> >> the author for misrepresenting cats?
> >>
> >> Always with love,
> >>
> >> Lissi
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Kellie Hartmann
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:42 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback on how
> to
> >> protect headings such as chapter titles and short
> >> story titles
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Lori,
> >> Please don't feel bad about asking--it's not
> new
> >> volunteers who are causing my frustration. The
> >> easiest way to protect chapter headers is to put
> the
> >> page number above them. The stripper will
> recognize
> >> and incorporate the number and leave the chapter
> >> header in peace.
> >> Hope this helps,
> >> Kellie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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