[bksvol-discuss] Re: deleting headers

  • From: "Lisa Leonardi" <lml5280@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:57:02 -0500

Hi.

I'm really hoping not to start a whole copyright discussion with this post, heh. But, I don't see why it would be an issue to remove the headers, even though they are part of the print books. NLS doesn't have the headers in their braille or recorded copies, so I don't think it would be a copyright infringement or anything.

Lisa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: deleting headers



How annoying that would be!

I should have left in the post to which I was
commenting. I meant my post to respond to Jill's
comment about checking with the submitter before
removing the headers, or to people who felt that
because the headers are in the print book maybe they
should be left in. I meant only to indicate that I
don't think most readers of print books pay attention
to the headers and so no one should worry about
deleting them. As you point out, they definitely need
to be deleted for bookshare members' reading pleasure.
smile  Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Cindy

--- "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That is because as a sighted reader you are not
having every line spoken in
which case all titles chapter titles and author's
name is repeated
time.  Or you are not using a braille display which
basically reads line by
line and thus reads all the junk at the top of
pages.

E.
At 03:22 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote:

>As a sighted reader of books, I never notice the
>headers. I go right to the text. I rarely notice
the
>page numbers, either, unless the text I'm reading
>suddenly doesn't make sense. Then I look at the
page
>numbers and realize that I've skipped a page in my
>page-turning (sometimes the pages, especially in
>paperbacks with thin pages, have stuck together).
>Once, the pages were actually missing, and I had to
>request another copy from the library.
>
>Cindy
>
>--- "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Jill, this is a general question though it was
> > brought up by your comment.
> > (smile) Has anyone ever run into a user who
actually
> > enjoys seeing the book
> > title or author's name or chapter title at the
top
> > and bottom of every
> > page?  Why would a submitter want those left in?
 I
> > am asking after Jill
> > suggested a validator get in touch with a
submitter
> > before removing such
> > material.
> >
> > E.
> > At 02:12 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Jill,
> > >
> > >Bookshare expects the Stripper to remove them,
so I
> > don't understand why you
> > >think a validator must have the permission of a
> > submitter to do it.  The
> > >only reason why the Stripper would fail to do
it is
> > if they are messed up in
> > >the first place.
> > >
> > >I asked Marissa last year if there was any
reason
> > why we couldn't just
> > >remove headers by hand instead of normalizing
them
> > in order to make it
> > >possible for the Stripper to remove them, and
she
> > said that removing them by
> > >hand works the best and to go right ahead and
> > remove them manually.  So, if
> > >you still want to look at it from a permission
> > standpoint, in a sense we
> > >have already gotten permission from a staff
member,
> > so why ask a volunteer?
> > >
> > >Gerald
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:57 PM
> > >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quantity deleting
> > >
> > >In my opinion, I don't think that validators
should
> > remove headers without
> > >asking the permission of the submitter. This is
one
> > more reason why when
> > >validating we should know how to contact the
> > submitter.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:25 AM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quantity deleting
> > >
> > >
> > > > Lissi,
> > > >
> > > > The location of the text from the header
isn't
> > an issue with removing them
> > > > all at once, but their content is.  They
need to
> > be identical for you to
> > > > remove them all at once.  This can be done
with
> > a global search and
> > > > replace
> > > > if you're very careful.  In the best case,
the
> > header is very unique or in
> > > > all caps and can be replaced without having
to
> > worry over removing
> > > > anything
> > > > from the main text.  I'd suggest selecting
the
> > pages where you want to
> > > > remove the headers, though, because you
don't
> > want to accidentally delete
> > > > any text from the frontmatter or the book
jacket
> > like the title or
> > > > author's
> > > > name.
> > > >
> > > > If you aren't sure how to do global search
and
> > replaces yet or know much
> > > > about them, then maybe you should get
someone to
> > give you a lesson.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > Gerald
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> > Behalf Of Estelnalissi
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 PM
> > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Quantity deleting
> > > >
> > > > Dear Volunteer Friends,
> > > >
> > > > If a book has the title on all even numbered
> > pages and the chapter name on
> > > > the odd pages, is there a way to delete all
of
> > each different title with
> > > > one
> > > >
> > > > set of commands? I can't leave them as they
are
> > for the stripper to remove
> > > > because they appear randomly sometimes above
the
> > page number and sometimes
> > > > under it. Getting rid of them one by one is
OK,
> > but I thought I'd check.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, Thanks in advance without the
exclamation
> > mark is 15 characters so
> > > > does that mean it equals TIA X 5?
> > > >
> > > > Always with love,
> > > >
> > > > Lissi
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