[bksvol-discuss] Re: courtesy
- From: "gwen tweedy" <gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:08:19 -0500
I guess unless you really hear it didn't get there it's a not to worry thing
thanks.
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: courtesy
If the book was out for editing and then just showed up on the checkout list
again it was most likely checked out by someone who just never got around to it
and it expired. I have come across any number of books on the checkout list
that when I looked at their history turned out to have been checked out
numerous times, but then when I started proofreading them there was nothing
wrong with them at all. I myself used to decide on which book to proofread by
checking out several and skimming through them. When I selected one I just
released the others. So the fact that someone checked out your book and
returned it doesn't really mean anything.
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: courtesy
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one book I know why it was rejected,
what happened with another book was,
when I first learned to scan little books I turned this particular book
instead of left to right I turned it the other way around up and down
that time the words were cut off and it was rejected so I redid it
and I'm not sure what happened this time but I thought it said it was
rejected but I never got an email saying so but it seems as if it's still in
the list
up there but it said rejected.
The others say being edited and one was out and now back in again saying
ready for proof reading so not sure about that one because it was gone a while
well
being edited that is and then it showed back up *smile*
the others have being edited on them.
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Cindy
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: courtesy
You can put a hold for Cindy on your submissions, only I have at least 2
that I have to do before I can take one, and a third that I should do because
it's been lingering in my pile for a long time. B But I can take one of
yours before the third
Cindy
Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
books-being-scanned list available at sites below
Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
Books Being Scanned List:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
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From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: courtesy
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:31 AM
Hi Gwen,
So, here's a question. Are your books not being checked out by
proofreaders, or rejected by proofreaders? There is a huge difference. If
books are rejected, there is always a reason given. If they aren't being
checked out, well, that's another story. Perhaps you could tell us some
titles awaiting proofreading, and some experienced proofreaders could take
on one of them and let you know what they find.
Mayrie
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:25 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: courtesy
Everyone has been nice here,
I'm frustrated with myself, because I'm not doing better, and it would be
nice like I have had in some instances, to know the progress of books, why
they are rejected and generally how I can do better, because if something is
in limbo for quite some time you begin to wonder am I just spinning my
wheels, am I making a difference, should I not put any more books up at all,
because you don't want to put all that effort in if it is wrongly done and
stuff.
Because if I'm not doing any better each book that is put up, I need to know
why and if I what I can do better, and if not then I need to stop altogether
because it's silly putting up books that will never make it to the list of
books that are available to be read.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:25 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] courtesy
> Now that my first wave of anger has passed, I want to write with a sincere
> request.
> Volunteers invest a good deal of time scanning.
> Proofers, if we are doing it well, similarly give time to making a book as
> perfect as it can be.
> My time and yours as volunteers is valuable.
> It is valuable particularly when given for free.
> It is as valuable as the time contributed by anybody who is able-bodied;
> as valuable as time given by people being paid. We volunteer "for love not
> money".
> In return we deserve the courtesy such love is worth.
> Please bookshare staff, let's work together to find a way for books to be
> given out to outsourcers without undercutting and devaluing the hard work
> previously performed by submitter and proofreader.
> It is a small thing. Those small courtesies from staff mean a lot to us
> volunteers.
> We hold a special place in our hearts for those members of staff who go
> out of their way to be courteous.
> Please staff! Together we can do this!!!
> I am sending a copy of this message to Pavi and the
>
volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
address.
> Elizabeth
>
> At 04:52 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi Gwen, Kim, and all other volunteers who may be new to proofreading!
>>
>>I'm sure by now you realize that all of us use different methods to
>>proofread. We may do things in a different order, but the end result
>>should be a book with similar characteristics such as standardized fonts,
>>page breaks, paragraphs and so forth. I well understand that it can seem
>>overwhelming at first, because there's so much to think about and
>>remember.
>>
>>Here's what you really need to remember--proofreading is a learning
>>process. It is not something you learn all at once. For example, it is
>>only in the last few books I have proofread where I have converted em
>>dashes to double hyphens, standardized and enlarged chapter heading fonts,
>>and converted smart quotes.. Why didn't I do this before? I didn't
>>understand how to do this even though I had read the excellent directions
>>provided by several people on this list. It made me feel pretty inept, so
>>I did nothing about it--and I've been proofreading books since Spring,
>>2008.
>>
>>A few weeks ago, I began an e-mail conversation with Mayrie about
>>something totally unrelated. I felt comfortable with her, so I asked if I
>>could ask her a few questions. She graciously agreed, and I sent her an
>>example of text where I had replaced the em dashes with double hyphens.
>>She looked at it, and told me I had done it correctly. After that, I was
>>embolden to tackle smart quotes and changing fonts for chapter headings.
>>
>>I mention this is a way of encouraging you to begin the process. Start
>>with something simple--maybe a short book or a children's book. Make sure
>>it's something that interests you. Also, as others have said, it's very
>>helpful to begin with books that have been scanned by careful scanners
>>because you will have less correcting to do.
>>
>>I'm a Braille reader, and I use JAWS and a Braille display to proofread
>>with. I set punctuation to most, and read line by line. I do all of my
>>proofreading in Word. But before I start reading. I refer to my checklist
>>which I have Brailed on index cards. I personally do certain things before
>>I even read a book. You can do the same thing using speech. I find a
>>checklist of some kind helps me remember what I have done, and keeps me
>>from forgetting things.. Here's what I do ... you can use the ideas that
>>are helpful and disregard those that are not. Remember, we each may have a
>>different process, there is no wrong or right order here--Use what works
>>well for you.
>>
>> 1. Before I checkout a book to proofread. I look at the book information
>> page. I highlight and copy pertinent information such as title, author,
>> copyright date, copyright holder, ISBN number, number of pages, the brief
>> and long synopsis information, the categories which the submitter has
>> indicated for the book, and the submitters name and e-mail address (if
>> available). I save this in a separate text file so that I can refer to
>> it. This also tells me if I'm going to have to add additional
>> information, or do any editing in that area.
>>
>> 2. After downloading the RTF file, I make a copy of it and store it
>> either in a different folder on my computer or, as I usually do, on a
>> flash drive. I do this in the event I make a mess of my original file.
>>
>> 3. Next I open the RTF file and standardize fonts, line spacing and
>> paragraph format, set the paper size to legal,and immediately save the
>> changes. I don't proofread technical reference manuals or text books, so
>> it's easy to do the standardization of fonts and paragraphs.
>>
>> 4. Next, I look to see if the number of pages in my RTF file matches the
>> number I obtained from the book information page. If it matches, I
>> breathe a huge sigh of relief. If it does not, I know that I have to
>> figure out why things don't match. maybe the preliminary pages are not
>> included in the submitter's page count. Maybe, there are unnumbered pages
>> at the end of the book. Maybe additional page breaks have been inserted.
>> Maybe there a duplicate pages. Maybe, there are actually pages missing,
>> and I may have to contact the submitter and ask to have some pages
>> scanned. In any case, I don't get overly concerned. The reason for the
>> numbering discrepancy will likely become apparent as I read through the
>> book. I just know it's something I will have to resolve.
>>
>> 5. Next, I look to see if there is a page numbered as "1." I use that as
>> a reference point to number the preliminary pages. I'm a very orderly
>> person, so it's important to me to know what I have to do with page
>> numbers. Everyone does this differently. Page numbers are not absolutely
>> required. Some books do not have them. At any rate, once I find a page
>> numbered "1" or find any page number, I can begin to track page numbers.
>>
>> 6. Next, I do things like convert em dashes to double hyphens, remove
>> "smart" quotes, split dialog, and make sure there are no spaces either
>> preceding or following dashes. I also make sure the ellipsis are treated
>> properly. Instructions for how to do all of these things as available on
>> the "volunteer" page. Some people spell check prior to reading the book,
>> and again after reading it. Personally, I do not spell check until I have
>> read the entire book because I find it too easy to change things I
>> shouldn't such as the spelling of proper names and certain intended slang
>> words. After I have read the book, I can more easily recognize what may
>> be a scanning OCR error. But if it's helpful for you to spell check prior
>> to reading, by all means do so. Just be careful about what you change.
>>
>> 7. I now begin reading the book. As I read, I make sure that page
>> numbers and chapter headings are surrounded by a blank line, make sure
>> that there is a blank line at the top and bottom of each page, change the
>> font of chapter headings or chapter numbers to Times New Roman 16 point,
>> remove extra blank lines that should not be there, remove any extra page
>> breaks that have been accidentally inserted, remove headers or footers at
>> the top or bottom of pages which contain the book title or authors name
>> (only in the text pages), correct known OCR errors, and remove any extra
>> characters such as back slashes, slashes, brackets, spaces, and carets
>> that the OCR program inserted during scanning. Most of these occurrences
>> are easily caught when punctuation is set to "most". When I come across a
>> page that is blank, I make sure to insert [This page contains no text.]
>> If there are picture captions, I make sure they are noted as such. Again,
>> there are instructions concerning how to deal with picture captions and
>> descriptions on the "volunteer" page. I'm especially alert to strange
>> characters that appear at the top and bottom of pages, or at the end of a
>> line of text. Usually it's pretty obvious that they are "junk characters"
>> and should be removed.
>>
>> 8. As I read, I make a list of things I need from the submitter such as
>> missing pages, a rescan of any pages because I cannot figure out what a
>> word or sentence should be, or any other clarification I may need. I do
>> my best to include page number references for the submitter, and if I
>> think my question is confusing, I will copy the particular word or
>> sentence about which I have a question. I e-mail the complete list of
>> what I need to the submitter after I have read the entire book, unless I
>> know that I particular submitter likes questions one at a time.
>>
>> 9. After I receive what I need from the submitter, I make all necessary
>> changes, spell check the entire document, and copy the file to a folder I
>> have created on my computer called "submit." Personally, I find it easier
>> to upload a book when it is the only one in a folder. I've come very
>> close to uploading the wrong book, so having it in a separate folder is a
>> good insurance policy for me.
>>
>>10. Before I upload the book, I open the text file I had saved which
>>contains the book information and make sure that the title, author's name,
>>copyright date, copyright holder, ISBN number, publisher, page count, and
>>book categories match what appears on the book's "checkout" form. I remove
>>any "hold for" designation that may be in the title. If the book is part
>>of a series, I make sure that the title reflects that. I also reread the
>>brief synopsis and make any necessary changes. I usually include a long
>>synopsis if one is not provided, though it is not necessary to do this if
>>an ISBN number is present. I do so only because I enjoy knowing as much
>>about a book as possible before I decide if I want to read it, and I
>>assume others may feel that way also.
>>
>>I hope this encourages some of you to try your hand at proofreading. The
>>real key is don't be afraid to try, and most of all, don't be afraid to
>>ask questions as you go. Asking questions is the only way to learn, and
>>none of this is easy, at first. *smile*
>>
>>blessings.
>>
>>Lynn I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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