[bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:16:47 -0500
Grace,
I have been wondering how Rui picks up books for his "no book left behind"
initiative. I e-mail him when I reject a book which is what he said to do,
so he can pick them up. How does he pick them up? Does he send a list to
Gustavo??? I am asking because this seems like a very valuable list (I mean
his list)..
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
> Dear Cindy:
>
> My message wasn't specifically meant for you. You're not the only one that
> chimes in when books get rejected. I am glad you didn't take offense
though,
> because I certainly did not want to offend anyone.
>
> I just wanted to explain how those of us who reject books feel about it.
> It's definitely my least favorite thing to do. Just ask my husband. *grin*
I
> just wanted to express another point of view.
> I also think that submitters who don't care about the finished product
> should not be rewarded for throwing up sloppy work. In many cases it takes
> less time to scan a book than to validate and clean it up well. In this
> particular case it was nice to see a submitter step up and say that
> something went wrong and resubmit the book.
>
> ***
> Grace
>
> For scanning and validating tips
> check out
> http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tl.asp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:25 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
>
>
> > Dear Lissi,
> >
> > I don't think Grace's comments were made with you in
> > mind--most likely with me, since I'm the one who
> > usually complains because I'd have like the chance to
> > fix the books--especially since not all of them have
> > anything else wrong with then. The last 4 have been
> > almost perfect scans, the only thing wrong being that
> > hard page breaks weren't there and sometimes page
> > numbers were missing. But I've learned a lot about
> > Native American wisdom and philosophy, and some
> > history. Anyway, I've come to know Grace through her
> > posts and some private correspondence and I'm not
> > offended at all.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Grace and Mickey,
> >>
> >> Mickey, I'm sorry I spoke up on rejecting books
> >> without knowing the rules.
> >> Anyway, I think you understood I meant no criticism.
> >> It just boils down to
> >> the fact that if something on the step one page
> >> appeals to me, I'll validate
> >> it for the fun of it, not for credit, but just
> >> because it's there and I like
> >> it and don't have the right equipment to scan for
> >> myself.
> >>
> >> I appreciate your clarification on Bookshare's
> >> guidelines for rejecting
> >> books, Grace. I admit I'm impatient with reading all
> >> of the information I
> >> should. I know enough to prepare validations, but I
> >> have a one track mind
> >> and validation is all I really care about. With that
> >> in mind, I really
> >> shouldn't comment on topics I don't know enough
> >> about. In this case, not
> >> having done my homework, I realize I was expressing
> >> an opinion not well
> >> grounded in fact. Now I'm better informed.
> >>
> >> Always with love,
> >>
> >> Lissi
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:25 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear Volunteers:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am writing to tell you about a pet peeve of
> >> mine. I have noticed that
> >> > every time someone posts that they've rejected a
> >> book, there's always
> >> > emails in response saying that the person
> >> shouldn't have. Speaking for
> >> > myself, I do not reject a book lightly. If I
> >> really don't feel like
> >> > dealing with the book I release it. I only reject
> >> books that I feel would
> >> > take less time to rescan. Some might say that the
> >> collection loses out on
> >> > a potential gem. I will argue that if said book is
> >> that important someone
> >> > will take the time to rescan it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As for rejecting books due to lack of page breaks,
> >> doing so is following
> >> > bookshare policy. It has been 1 year since
> >> Bookshare has instituted the
> >> > policy of page breaks. In my opinion that's
> >> plenty of time for submitters
> >> > to learn to follow the rules. Validators spending
> >> many hours adding page
> >> > breaks is setting a bad precedent for submitters.
> >> They don't follow the
> >> > rules and yet their books still get accepted.
> >> Remember submitters get the
> >> > major credit for submitting the books and yet
> >> conscientious validators get
> >> > the grunt work and little to show for it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Frankly I don't post on the list when I reject
> >> books because of the
> >> > negative responses over time. I don't enjoy
> >> rejecting books at all. I
> >> > only do when it's necessary. Additionally if the
> >> reason for rejecting is
> >> > not valid the admin kicks it back and says to
> >> validate it. I have seen it
> >> > happen before. Also, nothing prevents the
> >> submitter from cleaning the book
> >> > up and resubmitting it. .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As Mickey stated all we want to do is a good job.
> >> And in this case she was
> >> > following Bookshare policy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Although some people may prefer quantity over
> >> quality, the community does
> >> > prefer quality over quantity on the aggregate, as
> >> observed on a previous
> >> > bookshare survey. This includes proper pagination
> >> as well as clear
> >> > readable text. Therefore spending countless hours
> >> saving every book is not
> >> > always the best way to use our valuable time.
> >> Perhaps if less time was
> >> > spent cleaning up scanning messes more books could
> >> be added to the
> >> > collection.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is my 2 cents worth for today, or perhaps
> >> even the whole month.
> >> > *grin*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Grace
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "mickey" <micka@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:58 PM
> >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Just rejected
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I get very confused. When I've released books
> >> because they didn't have
> >> >>page breaks, I was told I should have rejected
> >> them. When I reject, I'm
> >> >>told I should have kept. We need guidelines,
> >> because either way I go,
> >> >>someone figures I should have done it differently.
> >> All I want to do is do
> >> >>a good job. Maybe we can get Gustavo to put it
> >> back, since I told him
> >> >>what the reason was.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mickey
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:49 PM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Just rejected
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Aah, Mickey. If you'd released it, I could have
> >> taken
> >> >>> it it. The book, at least in a couple of forms,
> >> is
> >> >>> available in my library systems, and it looks
> >> like one
> >> >>> I'd enjoy reading--and it's relatively short.
> >> smile.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cindy
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --- mickey <micka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Hi. I had to reject Rutland Place by Anne
> >> Perry.
> >> >>>> There were no detectable
> >> >>>> page breaks.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Good scan, too.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mickey
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mickey Prahin
> >> >>>> Phone: (614) 670-4011
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> >> >>>> http://www.boballentrio.com
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