[bksvol-discuss] Re: changing page lengths and the old indent vs skipping a line between paragraphs question
- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:03:16 -0500
Cindy,
As far as paragraphs go, leave them pretty much as OCR programs present them
unless there is absolutely something horrible done to them. We all
appreciate your attention to detail. But, reading preferences varry and you
shouldn't have to (nor should you) take upon yourself to accommodate every
person's needs. Some of these questions come down to the amount of time
spent on such details as opposed to making actual scanno corrections. If
one thing this list will agree on is the accuracy of the actual text. And,
John's message from several days ago emphasizes the accuracy factor.
Pratik
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:09 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] changing page lengths and the old indent vs
skipping a line between paragraphs question
Ah--I tried it and it worked. I think that what I did
before was, after making the change in Custom Paper
size and saving, when I checked and saw legal and 8
and a half by 14 I thought it hadn't worked and I did
not go again to "paper size" and scroll down to find
the name of the document. I just looked at the
standard sizes that were there and thought it didn't
work.
Thanks you so much!! So now I can change page lengths
to accommodate single columns instead of double
columns if necessary, and don't have to keep making
fonts smaller to fit on pages. I can even space
between paragraphs instead of indenting, when dialogue
otherwise makes the page too long.
OR--am I correct in remembering that most of you
prefer indented paragraphs, or do you prefer spaces
between them? Or does it vary depending on whether you
read in Braille or listen?
Cindy
1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, forgot to ask if when you selected legal if you
> tabbed down to height
> then arrowed up to twenty, then tabbed to whole
> document which again might
> require arrowing up or down before selecting O.K.
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:48 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> formatting
>
>
> > Thnks, Tom. Do you meant to go to Custom Paper
> size? I
> > can't change the length of legal. I did try to set
> > length using Custom paper size but I couldn't get
> it
> > to stay. I'll try again the next time I need more
> page
> > length.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Just go to page setup, go to paper size and
> >> select legal and increase
> >> page length to twenty inches. If Word complains
> tell
> >> it to ignore the margin
> >> problem. HTH Tom
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:14 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> >> formatting
> >>
> >>
> >> > Those extra page breaks Word puts in are not
> hard
> >> page breaks, but only
> >> > "soft" page breaks. They will not show up in
> the
> >> rtf file submitted to
> >> > Bookshare. There is a method that Tom Hawkins
> - I
> >> believe - posted here
> >> > about how to lengthen Word's pages to prevent
> >> those soft page breaks, but
> >> > I'll have to look for it. But anyway, they are
> >> not going to show up in
> >> > the Bookshare file.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:17 AM
> >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> >> formatting
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Pratik,
> >> >>
> >> >> Your method sounds practical if the page isn't
> >> too long, but on crowded,
> >> >> long pages, even when I adjust page length to
> >> make it as long as possible
> >> >> to accommodate all of the information, Word
> puts
> >> in its own page breaks
> >> >> and what would I do with those? My method does
> >> make extra pages, but the
> >> >> numbers still conform to the correct print
> pages
> >> with the a and b making
> >> >> it possible for page breaks to appear when I
> >> expect them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Those extra page breaks inserted by Microsoft
> >> word unnerve me. If anyone
> >> >> can explain how I can make these more than
> double
> >> long pages on a single
> >> >> page without those extra breaks, I'll abandon
> my
> >> current method in a
> >> >> heartbeat.
> >> >>
> >> >> Always with love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Lissi
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:35 AM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> >> formatting
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Lissi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The trouble with this method, especially when
> >> submitting a book, is that
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> then end up having more pages in a book than
> >> warranted. Unless you only
> >> >>> do
> >> >>> this for your personal use, you should follow
> a
> >> slightly modified method
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> just putting the second column at the bottom
> of
> >> the first column and let
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> page continue.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pratik
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Estelnalissi
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:13 PM
> >> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] double column
> >> formatting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dear Bookshare Volunteers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My solution for dealing with indices and
> pages
> >> with long double columns
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> to put each column on a new page and to label
> >> the pages a and b. If page
> >> >>> 364
> >> >>>
> >> >>> is a glossary with 2 columns I label the page
> >> with the first column 364a
> >> >>> and
> >> >>>
> >> >>> at the end of that column put in a page
> break. I
> >> label the next page
> >> >>> 364b
> >> >>> and then put in the second column flush with
> the
> >> left margin as I did
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> first. That way, I don't get overlong pages
> and
> >> numerically the pages
> >> >>> remain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> true to the text and best of all, I don't
> have
> >> to worry about how to
> >> >>> format
> >> >>> the second column. When I've tried putting
> the 2
> >> columns in a table,
> >> >>> navigating as I validate is clumsy because I
> >> really don't know how to
> >> >>> make
> >> >>> the cursor move between columns.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My solution is as low tech as it gets with
> >> Microsoft word but it gets me
> >> >>> through those long academic appendices,
> letting
> >> me concentrate on the
> >> >>> accuracy of the content more than formatting.
> >> From my point of view as a
> >> >>> braille Bookshare reader as well as a
> validator,
> >> this method is
> >> >>> uncomplicated, and easy to negotiate in a brf
> >> file.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cindy, if I get caught up enough in my
> reading
> >> and validating, I'll let
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> know how your columns appear in the braille
> file
> >> of 100 Women who Shaped
> >> >>> World History, but even if they're scrambled,
> >> I'm sure the text will be
> >> >>> terrific and pleasant, informative, reading.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The double columned contents of, The Devil
> and
> >> the Giro, which I
> >> >>> recently
> >> >>> finished validating, appeared in a table, and
> >> out of curiosity, I left
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> that way. I'll be curious to see if the tools
> >> morphed the table in to
> >> >>> some
> >> >>> different arrangement. There again, if the
> >> contents are muddled, the
> >> >>> stories
> >> >>>
> >> >>> will still be in tact.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I hope any of you who have a different
> approach
> >> for formatting double
> >> >>> columns or who have read books in the
> collection
> >> which have them will
> >> >>> tell
> >> >>> us what you do or how the columns look to you
> as
> >> braille or audio
> >> >>> readers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Always with love,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Lissi
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Grandma Cindy"
> <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:32 AM
> >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] columns question
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I know how to create columns on page using
> >> Word. Are
> >> >>>> they retained when bookshare converts the
> >> books? When
> >> >>>> viewing the page in Page Layout the page
> >> appears in
> >> >>>> two columns, as it should, but only as one
> long
> >> column
> >> >>>> with the continuous section break in the
> other
> >> View
> >> >>>> options.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> A couple of years ago when I had to create
> >> columns for
> >> >>>> a Table of Contents to Fit on a page, and
> some
> >> pages,
> >> >>>> I did it using tabs, so the book must look
> >> awful. I
> >> >>>> didn't know tabs got erased. I could redo
> the
> >> book
> >> >>>> with the columns that the book itself had if
> >> columns
> >> >>>> are retained.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Has anyone downloaded 100 Women Who Shaped
> >> World
> >> >>>> History from the collection? It's a
> wonderful
> >> >>>> reference book for both children and adults.
> >> Does it
> >> >>>> need reformatting when I get the chance?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Cindy
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >
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