I agree wholeheartedly with the below message. The fact is, validators have been slow to reject books with repeat line truncations. There is an emotional component to rejecting a book as a blind validator with which I fully sympathize. There is also a bias against outright refusing to accept work. Some scanner put time into scanning the books I rejected. If she had done the job well we all would have commended her. I am always sorry to reject a book.
E. At 07:05 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote:
Seems to me that one could download a book and discover pretty quickly that this was a problem. The book I rejected I didn't take very long to determine that it was a problem and rejected it. Cindy Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare acceptance policy I guess that the automation could be used to prescreen books for listing on Step One. You'd have to set the bar pretty low though, to allow for artificially low ratings for books with a lot of proper names. I think it was Gerald who got one of those for a book - one of the Wheel of Time series, I believe. So some bad books would still get through, but it would screen out the worst offenders. Then Bookshare could announce that books that are rated by the system as below that level of quality will not be accepted for submission. Saying specifically that Bookshare will not accept for submission books with truncated lines sounds needlessly complicated. I suppose it could be done, the way it was decided how many page breaks could be missing before a book should be rejected, but it would require a lot more hashing out. Whereas, a more general low quality bar for not letting books appear on Step One would cover the case of truncated lines, as well as books that are of poor quality for any other reason that might come along. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare acceptance policy > First automation can determine if a book is of poor quality. This > can be > done at time of upload automatically the same way we get a quality > determination when we submit a validated book to the validation > queue. > This would not eliminate the books with truncated lines per se but > would > mean the bookshare tool and not the submitter says what is and is > not > "poor quality". Next, bookshare staff can say that books containing > repeat truncations ought not even to be submitted. Such a > pronouncement > cannot actually stop a submitter but such a rule may have some > effect in > slowing down the few people who account for most of the "truncated" > submits currently on step 1. These are only ideas meant to get step > 1 a > bit more organized. They are meant only as feedback and ideas. > > E. > At 12:30 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote: >>Sounds good in theory, but short of someone looking through all the >>books >>before they get to Step One and making a judgment call, which would >>presumably have to be someone from the staff, how would it be >>determined >>by automation that this was going on? >> >>I doubt that someone from staff would have the time for this kind of >>thing. Besides, if someone is going to prevalidate every book to >>determine >>whether any of them are being scanned defectively, then why couldn't >>they >>just validate the good ones while they were at it, which would kind >>of >>mitigate the need for volunteer validators, wouldn't it? >> >>Evan >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:11 PM >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bookshare acceptance policy >> >> >>>Is there a way for bookshare to refuse scans with the following >>>characteristics? The books would be refused the same way books >>>minus >>>page breaks or in .txt format are now refused. >>> >>>""raw scans" defined as scans where the scanner did not press on >>>book >>>evenly enough for scanner to read all words. Book is characterized >>>by >>>truncated lines where words tend to be missing at the binding or >>>edge of >>>the book. >>> >>>I want a way of stopping such "raw scans" from even reaching step >>>1. I >>>know this sounds a bit drastic to some. I love books as much as >>>anyone. >>>I grew up not owning books. I know how precious they are. I know >>>a job >>>worth doing is worth doing well. "raw scans" are not a good job. >>>I might wear a old teashirt around the house. I do not confuse it >>>with >>>"excellent" nice clothing. Let's make the bookshare collection a >>>well >>>crafted effort. >>> >>>E. >>> >>>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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