Hi, Or we can make it real easy and call it validating:) Katie Hill You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen. Lynn Lewis Warren Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:06 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited If I'm not mistaken, Bookshare actually uses the word editor when talking about validating so that's where the change should be made in my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited > > Good point, Mickey. We need to use the correct terminology. We are not > editors and should not say we edit... The books are PRINTED after being > written and edited b the authors and publishers. We scan, validate or > confirm copyriight info, etc., and, if we are willing, we proofread. > > Sue S. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mickey" <micka@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:33 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited > > >> No, no. Editing is changing words, which the publisher frowns on. >> Proofreading is checking format and spelling. That's what we, as lind >> people, can and should do. >> >> I'm a professional proofreader. I cannot edit, though I would dearly love >> to. We can insert things that the scanner misses. >> >> My point here is that publishers and authors get a little tense when we > talk >> about editing their work, when in fact we're only validating or, if you >> will, proofreading. In order to keep this valuable resource, we need to >> be >> really, REALLY careful. >> >> Mickey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:53 AM >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> >> >> > Also, is a blind person supposed to check whith a sighted person - or >> > an >> > Optacon if he/she has one - every time they encounter an error to make >> > sure it isn't printed that way in the original text? That seems >> > unreasonable. The default action should be to assume they are scanning >> > errors - the overwhelming likelihood - and fix them. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:51 PM >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> > >> > >> >> HI Mickie, >> >> >> >> IN the case of a blind person scanning it is sometimes hard to tell if > it >> >> is >> >> an error in the book or the scan. Most of what I find are end of line >> >> things, occasional split words, Extra chars such as * & ^ around page >> >> numbers which I usually clean up. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Katie Hill >> >> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen. >> >> Lynn Lewis Warren >> >> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mickey >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:16 PM >> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> >> >> >> I think we need to be careful. Under no circumstances are we to edit > the >> >> books we scan or validate. That would break copyright. We only > reproduce, >> >> as >> >> >> >> closely as humanly possible. We can't (or shouldn't) even correct >> >> spelling >> >> errors, if they're in the print text. >> >> >> >> I'm only speaking up in case any publishers should see these posts. >> >> >> >> Mickey >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Monica Svopa" <svopa@xxxxxxx> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:17 PM >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thanks Katie. I do like reading books of that nature. >> >>> Monica >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:59 PM >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> HI Monica, >> >>>> >> >>>> Once I got into remember names I found there were only about 18 >> >>>> pages >> >>>> of >> >>> the >> >>>> book. I went back to an older copy when I attempted it a while back > and >> >>> even >> >>>> redownloaded the file. No go:(. >> >>>> >> >>>> But if you are interested in some Dale Carnegie books there is a >> >>>> copy >> >>>> of >> >>>> Pathways to Suggest / How to stop worrying and start living. Cindy I >> >>> worked >> >>>> o that one last summer. A very good book:) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Katie Hill >> >>>> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen. >> >>>> Lynn Lewis Warren >> >>>> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica > Svopa >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:36 AM >> >>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello Monica and Cindy. Thanks both of you for your notes. > Actually, >> >>> being >> >>>> blind myself, I would prefer that a sighted person vallidate the >> >>>> book >> >>> which >> >>>> is why I am not going to ask for it to be realeased. Thanks so much >> >>>> for >> >>>> your quick respnse. Actually, i have other books I need to read so > no >> >>>> hurrys on that one but I know that others here want to read it as > well. >> >>>> Have an awesome day. >> >>>> >> >>>> Monica Svopa >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Monica Willyard" <plumlipstick@xxxxxxxxxx> >> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:00 PM >> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > Monica, you are a competent, high-quality validater. Unless you > can >> >>>> > see, this book will be a bear to validate. While the text is very >> >>>> > clear, it has a lot of things that need eyes to fix. There are >> >>>> > pictures and section marks that a sighted person can click away > with >> >>>> > the mouse. Jaws gets confused and doesn't find the pictures > properly >> >>>> > to remove them. If you leave the pictures in the book, it is too >> >>>> > large to upload to Bookshare for approval. Unless you have some > sort >> >>>> > of tool to do this for you, Cindy can validate the book fairly >> >>>> > quickly. We can ask Gustavo if he'll approve the book from the > queue >> >>>> > if it is something you want to read fairly soon, explaining why >> >>>> > you >> >>>> > couldn't validate it. Maybe he'd agree to release it fairly > quickly. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Monica >> >>>> > Visit my blog at: http://plumlipstick.livejournal.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Friday 4/21/2006 07:16 PM, Cincy wrote: >> >>>> > >Actually, Monica, it's Princess--feminine--Within. And >> >>>> > >I'm doing it, upon request, because there were >> >>>> > >problems, but if you want to do it I'll happily >> >>>> > >release it. I've requested the book, so I can provide >> >>>> > >any missing pages or garbled pages or answer any >> >>>> > >questions you might have. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> >>>> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get >> >>>> > a >> >>>> > list >> >>>> of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject >> >>>> line. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> >>>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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