[bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:14:47 -0500
Jill,
You're not mistaken. Here's the title for the section where the
instructions discuss validation: Checking and editing the file. It's being
fixed in the next release. Hopefully the new instructions can be finished
soon now that Jennifer and John have been hired and begun work.
BTW, John is supposed to start today.
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:06 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
If I'm not mistaken, Bookshare actually uses the word editor when talking
about validating so that's where the change should be made in my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:20 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>
> Good point, Mickey. We need to use the correct terminology. We are not
> editors and should not say we edit... The books are PRINTED after being
> written and edited b the authors and publishers. We scan, validate or
> confirm copyriight info, etc., and, if we are willing, we proofread.
>
> Sue S.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mickey" <micka@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:33 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>
>
>> No, no. Editing is changing words, which the publisher frowns on.
>> Proofreading is checking format and spelling. That's what we, as lind
>> people, can and should do.
>>
>> I'm a professional proofreader. I cannot edit, though I would dearly love
>> to. We can insert things that the scanner misses.
>>
>> My point here is that publishers and authors get a little tense when we
> talk
>> about editing their work, when in fact we're only validating or, if you
>> will, proofreading. In order to keep this valuable resource, we need to
>> be
>> really, REALLY careful.
>>
>> Mickey
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:53 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>>
>>
>> > Also, is a blind person supposed to check whith a sighted person - or
>> > an
>> > Optacon if he/she has one - every time they encounter an error to make
>> > sure it isn't printed that way in the original text? That seems
>> > unreasonable. The default action should be to assume they are scanning
>> > errors - the overwhelming likelihood - and fix them.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:51 PM
>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >
>> >
>> >> HI Mickie,
>> >>
>> >> IN the case of a blind person scanning it is sometimes hard to tell if
> it
>> >> is
>> >> an error in the book or the scan. Most of what I find are end of line
>> >> things, occasional split words, Extra chars such as * & ^ around page
>> >> numbers which I usually clean up.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Katie Hill
>> >> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
>> >> Lynn Lewis Warren
>> >> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mickey
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:16 PM
>> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>
>> >> I think we need to be careful. Under no circumstances are we to edit
> the
>> >> books we scan or validate. That would break copyright. We only
> reproduce,
>> >> as
>> >>
>> >> closely as humanly possible. We can't (or shouldn't) even correct
>> >> spelling
>> >> errors, if they're in the print text.
>> >>
>> >> I'm only speaking up in case any publishers should see these posts.
>> >>
>> >> Mickey
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Monica Svopa" <svopa@xxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:17 PM
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Thanks Katie. I do like reading books of that nature.
>> >>> Monica
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:59 PM
>> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> HI Monica,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Once I got into remember names I found there were only about 18
>> >>>> pages
>> >>>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>>> book. I went back to an older copy when I attempted it a while back
> and
>> >>> even
>> >>>> redownloaded the file. No go:(.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But if you are interested in some Dale Carnegie books there is a
>> >>>> copy
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> Pathways to Suggest / How to stop worrying and start living. Cindy I
>> >>> worked
>> >>>> o that one last summer. A very good book:)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Katie Hill
>> >>>> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
>> >>>> Lynn Lewis Warren
>> >>>> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica
> Svopa
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:36 AM
>> >>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Monica and Cindy. Thanks both of you for your notes.
> Actually,
>> >>> being
>> >>>> blind myself, I would prefer that a sighted person vallidate the
>> >>>> book
>> >>> which
>> >>>> is why I am not going to ask for it to be realeased. Thanks so much
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> your quick respnse. Actually, i have other books I need to read so
> no
>> >>>> hurrys on that one but I know that others here want to read it as
> well.
>> >>>> Have an awesome day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Monica Svopa
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Monica Willyard" <plumlipstick@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:00 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Monica, you are a competent, high-quality validater. Unless you
> can
>> >>>> > see, this book will be a bear to validate. While the text is very
>> >>>> > clear, it has a lot of things that need eyes to fix. There are
>> >>>> > pictures and section marks that a sighted person can click away
> with
>> >>>> > the mouse. Jaws gets confused and doesn't find the pictures
> properly
>> >>>> > to remove them. If you leave the pictures in the book, it is too
>> >>>> > large to upload to Bookshare for approval. Unless you have some
> sort
>> >>>> > of tool to do this for you, Cindy can validate the book fairly
>> >>>> > quickly. We can ask Gustavo if he'll approve the book from the
> queue
>> >>>> > if it is something you want to read fairly soon, explaining why
>> >>>> > you
>> >>>> > couldn't validate it. Maybe he'd agree to release it fairly
> quickly.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Monica
>> >>>> > Visit my blog at: http://plumlipstick.livejournal.com
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Friday 4/21/2006 07:16 PM, Cincy wrote:
>> >>>> > >Actually, Monica, it's Princess--feminine--Within. And
>> >>>> > >I'm doing it, upon request, because there were
>> >>>> > >problems, but if you want to do it I'll happily
>> >>>> > >release it. I've requested the book, so I can provide
>> >>>> > >any missing pages or garbled pages or answer any
>> >>>> > >questions you might have.
>> >>>> >
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