Let me add that what Kim really needs is an in-person instructor, but I have been and am still in pretty much the same situation of having to teach oneself. It can be done, but it can also be torturous. I would suggest tackling that manual one little piece at a time. Pick out one of the basics and read it over and over and try to follow the instructions precisely while asking questions on this list when getting stuck. You will find that knowledge builds on knowledge. That is, once you learn something you will have a little bit more understanding when you start to learn the next thing. "If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. " Malcolm X The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Date: 10/27/2009 2:47:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Hi, Kim, Actually for the most part scanning is just as effortless as your family thinks it is. I use Openbook, not Kurtzweil, so there may be some settings that would help you; I hope Kurzweil users will comment. Also, with the Cannon most books lay on the flatbed, but it may be necessary to scan one page at a time. I did use Kurtzweil at work many years ago, but did not do books or anything I would want to keep. Why don't you either start with justa letter, a short document or a short book to see how it goes. Once you have done some scanning, you will better know what questions to ask. With encouragement, Lori C. block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Friedman To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:27 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Hi, Lori, what intimidates me is that I've never had a scanner before and I don't know the first thing about scanning anything. I have stuff that might be wider than the scanner's bed. Will the book still scan in that case? When I got Kurzweil 1000 version 11.0, I called the Tech Support folks and they helped me set up Kurzweil and I've read some of the manual, but manuals and me don't get along, I.e., I hear what I'm reading, but whatever knowledge that is there isn't absorbed by me as it goes right over my head. I am not the greatest problem solver in the world and have no idea of the questions I ought to be asking and resolving to scan something. I have family members who assume that all one does is slap something down on the scanner, it scans automatically, Kurzweil reads it automatically, and voila! instant images ready to be read, etc. I'm wondering if it's really all that simple. I've never seen anything in my life, so have no way to gauge what's occurring. Let's face it, I'm scared. I know it's irrational and unreasonable, but there it is. I don't know anybody living nearby who can walk me through using the thing. That's It pure and simple. I've put something on the scanner and have apparently had no results due to my total lack of knowledge, possible non-willingness to persevere, and fear. Regards, Kim the scannerphobe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:21 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Kim what intimidates you about the cannon scanner? My husband uses one and has had very good luck. Lori C. block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Friedman To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:15 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Hi, Monica, if you are interested The Cake Bible is in the NLS program. In fact, I got the recording and duplicated it for my personal use. Rose Levy Beranbaum has other cookbooks and one of them is The Pastry Bible. I think her books may be tough because her ingredients lists are written using weight measurements as well as the cups and spoons measurements we're used to. Along with that, she uses sidebars which have commentary. I imagine there are a lot of illustrations in her books. I have heard of Taste of Home, but haven't read the magazines they produce. I'm getting Bon Appétit and I used to get Gourmet. I have found some neat cookbooks. I've got some cookbooks in print that I'd definitely love to see in the Bookshare collection. I have a Canon LIDE90 scanner but am unsure and intimidated about using it. It's a flatbed scanner and is longer than it is wide. It's sitting there on my desk and is plugged into the computer with a USB cable. Anyhow, thanks for writing back. Regards, Kim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:31 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Kim, you and I have similar interests in cookbooks. (smile) I'd like to see the list of cookbooks you'd like to have access to. I can help with scanning if they are at my library. I also have just been given a stack of cookbooks today, and I'll work on adding those too. Many of them are from Better Homes and Gardens or Taste Of Home. I don't know how well they'll scan. The Taste Of Home books seem to be doing well so far. The Better Homes and Gardens books are thinner but are also done in columns. I'll tackle one soon and see how well it works out. I did send a book called The Cake Bible to the Bookshare office with the hope that Carrie's proofreaders could work on it. I don't know if they are able to process it though. I hope so because there are a lot of good cake recipes in there. My mom used to read it to me. Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kim Friedman Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:08 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Hi, Monica, I thank you for your message. This stuff, needless to say, is unknown territory to me. The stuff I found on amazon.com vary in date, but I'll bet you some of them are definitely of recent vintage (not sure though). I thought these would be a change from the usual Weight Watcher stuff of which Bookshare seems to have a great amount. I like ethnic cookbooks and seem to be gravit ating to cookbooks about desserts and baking, if only for making me imagine how those desserts might taste. (I'm getting hungry just thinking about this stuff.) I am not saying there shouldn't be books on health, diet, and nutrition, but I lean towards the straight cookbook that concerns itself with what people eat in a particular cuisine, how to get the ingredients, cooking methods, history of cooking in that cuisine, and (I hope) lovely delicious recipe instructions that make me wish I were eating what I'm reading about. Would anybody like me to go into amazon.com and I can send the names of cookbooks that I'm interested in seeing at bookshare, both the ones on my shopping cart (to be bought later) and those on my wish list? I think if anyone is interested in this I should send the lists directly to interested parties on the Bookshare volunteer discussion list. Also they might write me off list so nobody gets in trouble. Regards, Kim. ksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:36 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Hi Kim and Jamie. For what it's worth, I've found that many cookbooks from the 80s and early 90s scan better than brand new cookbooks. I think that's because they were using computers with more standard fonts, and they tend to use real fractions instead of the half symbol in ingredient lists. Cookbooks from the 60s, on the other hand, don't scan so well because they often use a font that is sort of decorative or like handwriting, and the paper has yellowed. The Frugal Gourmet books from the late 80s scanned very well. I wish I still had them to submit. I scanned them back when I was using DOS when I scanned them in 1991, and they were almost flawless. I couldn't convert them when I started using Windows, and that means scanning them from scratch. I got them from my local library. That means I can get them again. I just need some vacation time to do more scanning. The Frugal Gourmet Cooks With Wine is my favorite in that series. Oh no! Now I've made myself hungry from thinking about the Italian gravy recipe in that book. 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