[bksvol-discuss] Re: bksvol-discuss Digest V9 #51
- From: Courtney Stover <liamskitten@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:41:13 -0600
Alissa,
I'm not seeing any message from Robin in any of this. All it is is
your intro, and then a bunch of blank lines. Then, the other messages
to which you are replying begin. Can you please resend Robin's
message?
Courtney
On 2/21/12, Alisa Moore <alisam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm introducing Robin Seaman into the discussion via this email, so that she
> can provide you (and me!) with clarification regarding the status of our
> relationship with Google (books) and the rules/laws that govern our
> relationship with them.
>
> Alisa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager [mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:13 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss digest users
> Subject: bksvol-discuss Digest V9 #51
>
> bksvol-discuss Digest Mon, 20 Feb 2012 Volume: 09 Issue: 051
>
> In This Issue:
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa pl
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sentences from books.
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa pl
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa pl
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sentences from books.
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa pl
> [bksvol-discuss] Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> [bksvol-discuss] duplicate books on bookshare
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 22:30:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: Barbara B <scootergirlred@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa please
> read
>
> Can an individual get the google books and download them to the computers?
>
> Barbara
> --- On Sun, 2/19/12, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa please read
> this.
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 6:00 PM
>
>
> Speaking of Google books, I am reminded of something. A long time ago, in
> the context of publisher donated books, I asked if there was any possibility
> of getting Google to donate the electronic texts of their millions of books
> to Bookshare. My understanding of the copyright law should make this
> possible. Just think. Bookshare's collection could grow by about six million
> books all at once. Pavi said that Bookshare was in talks with Google about
> just that. Well, since I am recalling back at least two volunteer
> coordinators and it was well before she left then that was certainly a long
> time ago. The discussion of the matter ended on that note. I think enough
> time has passed to ask about it again. What is the status of those talks
> with Google? Will we ever get those millions of books into the collection?
> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of
> available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:33:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sentences from books.
>
> Thanks
> Cindy (I'm returning to just Cindy (Rose was the first half of my last
> name), since it was pointed out that the Fromn space indcaes Cindy Ray when
> she writes, and just Cindy for me. smile. I'm used to being Cindy. smile
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Sue Stevens <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:21 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sentences from books.
>>
>>Just to add to the post about books.google.com. In the search box you put
>> the title of the book in quotes, space, put a plus sign, space, and write
>> a phrase.
>>Sue S.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Sk22
>>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:38 PM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sentences from books.
>>
>>I thought I saw a post a short time ago that said something about providing
>>the previous and the following words to a sentence in a book and there
>> would
>>be some way to find what was missing. I thought it had something to do
>> with
>>Google. If something like this exists, could someone please post it again.
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>Shirley
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:14:58 -0800
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa please
> read
> From: Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> If thcy could it wouldn't be accessible for screen reader users.
>
> On 2/19/12, Barbara B <scootergirlred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Can an individual get the google books and download them to the computers?
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>> --- On Sun, 2/19/12, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa please read
>> this.
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 6:00 PM
>>
>>
>> Speaking of Google books, I am reminded of something. A long time ago, in
>> the context of publisher donated books, I asked if there was any
>> possibility
>> of getting Google to donate the electronic texts of their millions of
>> books
>> to Bookshare. My understanding of the copyright law should make this
>> possible. Just think. Bookshare's collection could grow by about six
>> million
>> books all at once. Pavi said that Bookshare was in talks with Google about
>> just that. Well, since I am recalling back at least two volunteer
>> coordinators and it was well before she left then that was certainly a
>> long
>> time ago. The discussion of the matter ended on that note. I think enough
>> time has passed to ask about it again. What is the status of those talks
>> with Google? Will we ever get those millions of books into the collection?
>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list
>> of
>> available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> "To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
> forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be sophisticated,
> but when you get the two of them together in a way people can relate to,
> then I think you're on to something. You want the sophistication to lie in
> the purity of the sound, the beauty of the arrangements, and the quality of
> the performances."-Trumpeter Chris Botti
> --
> Chela Robles
> E-Mail/GoogleTalk/AIM/MySpace/LinkedIn: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
> WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
> E-Buddy ID: cdrobles693
> Skype Name: jazzytrumpet
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chela.robles
> I volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to learn more
> and to join us, visit: http://www.bookshare.org
> Visit my blog piece from Learning Ally and after reading and listening to
> the song selection, fill out the form which requires no CAPCHAS unless
> you're a robot at:
> http://www.learningally.org/Blog/Access-and-Achievement/144/vobId__2525/
> --
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:17:50 -0500
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa please
> read
>
> You can download the ones that are out of copyright, but the most of
> them you cannot. You will recall that when Google first started Google
> books the publishers had a fit over it. Then an agreement was finally
> worked out in which Google could distribute their books to certain
> libraries for lending with some pretty stringent restrictions the
> details of which I don't recall. As I understand the copyright exception
> that Bookshare operates under, though, it should be just fine if Google
> turned over all those files to be used at Bookshare just like any other
> book is used at Bookshare and that would mean a fantastic growth of the
> Bookshare collection in a very short time. Right now, though, the best
> you can do in accessing Google books is to read snippets of text here
> and there like we have been discussing insofar as we search for a small
> bit of text in order to decipher an unclear word.
> On 2/20/2012 1:30 AM, Barbara B wrote:
>> Can an individual get the google books and download them to the computers?
>> Barbara
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 2/19/12, Roger Loran Bailey /<rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa
>> please read this.
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 6:00 PM
>>
>> Speaking of Google books, I am reminded of something. A long time
>> ago, in the context of publisher donated books, I asked if there
>> was any possibility of getting Google to donate the electronic
>> texts of their millions of books to Bookshare. My understanding of
>> the copyright law should make this possible. Just think.
>> Bookshare's collection could grow by about six million books all
>> at once. Pavi said that Bookshare was in talks with Google about
>> just that. Well, since I am recalling back at least two volunteer
>> coordinators and it was well before she left then that was
>> certainly a long time ago. The discussion of the matter ended on
>> that note. I think enough time has passed to ask about it again.
>> What is the status of those talks with Google? Will we ever get
>> those millions of books into the collection?
>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> <http://us.mc1224.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get
>> a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the
>> subject line.
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:49:18 -0500
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sentences from books.
>
> But Cindy, why didn't you tell us that you were the mayor of Norman,
> Oklahoma? This web site assures us that you were elected in 2007:
> http://www.ci.norman.ok.us/content/mayor
> On 2/20/2012 2:33 AM, Cindy wrote:
>> Thanks
>> Cindy (I'm returning to just Cindy (Rose was the first half of my
>> last name), since it was pointed out that the Fromn space indcaes
>> Cindy Ray when she writes, and just Cindy for me. smile. I'm used to
>> being Cindy. smile
>>
>> *From:* Sue Stevens <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:21 PM
>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sentences from books.
>>
>> Just to add to the post about books.google.com
>> <http://books.google.com>. In the search box you put the title of
>> the book in quotes, space, put a plus sign, space, and write a phrase.
>> Sue S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sk22
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:38 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sentences from books.
>>
>> I thought I saw a post a short time ago that said something about
>> providing
>> the previous and the following words to a sentence in a book and
>> there would
>> be some way to find what was missing. I thought it had something
>> to do with
>> Google. If something like this exists, could someone please post
>> it again.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shirley
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature database 6897 (20120219) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:44:50 -0800
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa please
> read
> From: Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Right, well I hope that this will work, the suggestion you made to
> bookshare staff.
>
> On 2/20/12, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> You can download the ones that are out of copyright, but the most of
>> them you cannot. You will recall that when Google first started Google
>> books the publishers had a fit over it. Then an agreement was finally
>> worked out in which Google could distribute their books to certain
>> libraries for lending with some pretty stringent restrictions the
>> details of which I don't recall. As I understand the copyright exception
>> that Bookshare operates under, though, it should be just fine if Google
>> turned over all those files to be used at Bookshare just like any other
>> book is used at Bookshare and that would mean a fantastic growth of the
>> Bookshare collection in a very short time. Right now, though, the best
>> you can do in accessing Google books is to read snippets of text here
>> and there like we have been discussing insofar as we search for a small
>> bit of text in order to decipher an unclear word.
>>
>> On 2/20/2012 1:30 AM, Barbara B wrote:
>>> Can an individual get the google books and download them to the
>>> computers?
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>> --- On *Sun, 2/19/12, Roger Loran Bailey /<rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>/*
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Speaking of Google Books, and Alissa
>>> please read this.
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 6:00 PM
>>>
>>> Speaking of Google books, I am reminded of something. A long time
>>> ago, in the context of publisher donated books, I asked if there
>>> was any possibility of getting Google to donate the electronic
>>> texts of their millions of books to Bookshare. My understanding of
>>> the copyright law should make this possible. Just think.
>>> Bookshare's collection could grow by about six million books all
>>> at once. Pavi said that Bookshare was in talks with Google about
>>> just that. Well, since I am recalling back at least two volunteer
>>> coordinators and it was well before she left then that was
>>> certainly a long time ago. The discussion of the matter ended on
>>> that note. I think enough time has passed to ask about it again.
>>> What is the status of those talks with Google? Will we ever get
>>> those millions of books into the collection?
>>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
>>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> <http://us.mc1224.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get
>>> a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the
>>> subject line.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> "To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
> forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be sophisticated,
> but when you get the two of them together in a way people can relate to,
> then I think you're on to something. You want the sophistication to lie in
> the purity of the sound, the beauty of the arrangements, and the quality of
> the performances."-Trumpeter Chris Botti
> --
> Chela Robles
> E-Mail/GoogleTalk/AIM/MySpace/LinkedIn: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
> WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
> E-Buddy ID: cdrobles693
> Skype Name: jazzytrumpet
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chela.robles
> I volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to learn more
> and to join us, visit: http://www.bookshare.org
> Visit my blog piece from Learning Ally and after reading and listening to
> the song selection, fill out the form which requires no CAPCHAS unless
> you're a robot at:
> http://www.learningally.org/Blog/Access-and-Achievement/144/vobId__2525/
> --
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:56:24 -0500
>
> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called This
> Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon first to
> read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It said there that
> the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to Bookshare and found a PQ
> copy of the book. I looked it up under the editor's name, and when I found
> the title I looked no further. Interestingly, the date of addition was
> December 12, 2011. I was impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was giving
> Bookshare their books even before they were officially published. Well, that
> turned out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the brf
> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table of
> contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was in the
> table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to Bookshare and
> entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that I found two copies
> of the book, the seve
> rely truncated one I had gotten originally, and the full edition, 545Kb in
> size for the brf version, that was added on the same date it was officially
> published, February 14.
> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there might be,
> but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you find the first
> occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if there is more than one
> instance, get the one with the most recent date of addition.
>
> Evan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:02:17 -0500
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> From: "Ixchel, Jackie (M.E)" <starsandhearts2@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi Evan,
> Thank you so much for that advice.
> Jackie
>
> On 2/20/12, Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called
>> This
>> Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon first to
>> read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It said there that
>> the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to Bookshare and found a PQ
>> copy of the book. I looked it up under the editor's name, and when I found
>> the title I looked no further. Interestingly, the date of addition was
>> December 12, 2011. I was impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was
>> giving
>> Bookshare their books even before they were officially published. Well,
>> that
>> turned out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the
>> brf
>> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table of
>> contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was in the
>> table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to Bookshare and
>> entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that I found two
>> copies
>> of the book, the severely truncated one I had gotten originally, and the
>> full edition, 545Kb in size for the brf version, that was added on the
>> same
>> date it was officially published, February 14.
>>
>> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there might
>> be,
>> but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you find the first
>> occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if there is more than
>> one
>> instance, get the one with the most recent date of addition.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>
>
> --
> Currently Reading: The Lost Hero by Rick Riordan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:14:00 -0500
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> From: Ali Al-Hajamy <aalhajamy@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> I see that on ocasion. I tried to download Les Misérables once, and
> there was a book which claimed to be the newest translation by Julie
> Rose. On unzipping it I found that it was in fact an adapted version
> for children and published long before the translation in question
> even came out.
> Another instance occurs with The Brothers Karamazov. The summary
> claims to be the translation by Richard Pevear and Larissa
> Volokhonsky, but the copyright date is 1970, twenty years before the
> P&V translation was released, and on opening the book it turned out to
> be the Andrew R. MacAndrew translation, which I already had.
> This doesn't happen enough for me to care, and the translations
> Bookshare has are perfectly fine, readable ones, but yours is not the
> first incident of this nature.
>
> On 2/20/12, Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called
>> This
>> Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon first to
>> read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It said there that
>> the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to Bookshare and found a PQ
>> copy of the book. I looked it up under the editor's name, and when I found
>> the title I looked no further. Interestingly, the date of addition was
>> December 12, 2011. I was impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was
>> giving
>> Bookshare their books even before they were officially published. Well,
>> that
>> turned out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the
>> brf
>> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table of
>> contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was in the
>> table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to Bookshare and
>> entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that I found two
>> copies
>> of the book, the severely truncated one I had gotten originally, and the
>> full edition, 545Kb in size for the brf version, that was added on the
>> same
>> date it was officially published, February 14.
>>
>> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there might
>> be,
>> but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you find the first
>> occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if there is more than
>> one
>> instance, get the one with the most recent date of addition.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:01:01 -0500
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
>
> I have been contemplating downloading that one myself. I am glad you
> gave the warning before I did. This, by the way, is a definite case to
> make a quality report about. Now and then I have seen other publisher
> books that have been added to the collection that I have not downloaded
> but that I find questionable as to whether they really should be in the
> collection such as books of excerpts of other books that have been
> apparently compiled just for promotional purposes. I would question why
> anyone would download something like that when they could download the
> whole books.
> On 2/20/2012 6:56 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called
>> This Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon
>> first to read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It
>> said there that the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to
>> Bookshare and found a PQ copy of the book. I looked it up under the
>> editor's name, and when I found the title I looked no further.
>> Interestingly, the date of addition was December 12, 2011. I was
>> impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was giving Bookshare their
>> books even before they were officially published. Well, that turned
>> out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the brf
>> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table
>> of contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was
>> in the table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to
>> Bookshare and entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that
>> I found two copies of the book, the severely truncated one I had
>> gotten originally, and the full edition, 545Kb in size for the brf
>> version, that was added on the same date it was officially published,
>> February 14.
>> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there
>> might be, but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you
>> find the first occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if
>> there is more than one instance, get the one with the most recent date
>> of addition.
>> Evan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:04:02 -0500
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> From: "Ixchel, Jackie (M.E)" <starsandhearts2@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Has anyone reported these books?
>
> On 2/20/12, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I have been contemplating downloading that one myself. I am glad you
>> gave the warning before I did. This, by the way, is a definite case to
>> make a quality report about. Now and then I have seen other publisher
>> books that have been added to the collection that I have not downloaded
>> but that I find questionable as to whether they really should be in the
>> collection such as books of excerpts of other books that have been
>> apparently compiled just for promotional purposes. I would question why
>> anyone would download something like that when they could download the
>> whole books.
>>
>> On 2/20/2012 6:56 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called
>>> This Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon
>>> first to read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It
>>> said there that the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to
>>> Bookshare and found a PQ copy of the book. I looked it up under the
>>> editor's name, and when I found the title I looked no further.
>>> Interestingly, the date of addition was December 12, 2011. I was
>>> impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was giving Bookshare their
>>> books even before they were officially published. Well, that turned
>>> out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the brf
>>> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table
>>> of contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was
>>> in the table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to
>>> Bookshare and entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that
>>> I found two copies of the book, the severely truncated one I had
>>> gotten originally, and the full edition, 545Kb in size for the brf
>>> version, that was added on the same date it was officially published,
>>> February 14.
>>> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there
>>> might be, but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you
>>> find the first occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if
>>> there is more than one instance, get the one with the most recent date
>>> of addition.
>>> Evan
>>
>
>
> --
> Currently Reading: The Lost Hero by Rick Riordan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:51:15 -0500
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
>
> If you mean the ones that look like advertising, I don't know. I only
> know that when I came across them while browsing the newly added books I
> thought about mentioning them here and of providing a link to make my
> point. However, thinking about something too long can lead to inaction
> and that is exactly what happened to me. I no longer remember the titles
> in question and would not know how to find them in the collection again
> now. I would have to come across them again and the collection is so
> large now that it might be a while at the very least. I should have
> reported them though. If anyone else does come across them then I would
> urge you to do what I failed to do and report them.
>
> On 2/20/2012 9:04 PM, Ixchel, Jackie (M.E) wrote:
>> Has anyone reported these books?
>>
>> On 2/20/12, Roger Loran Bailey<rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I have been contemplating downloading that one myself. I am glad you
>>> gave the warning before I did. This, by the way, is a definite case to
>>> make a quality report about. Now and then I have seen other publisher
>>> books that have been added to the collection that I have not downloaded
>>> but that I find questionable as to whether they really should be in the
>>> collection such as books of excerpts of other books that have been
>>> apparently compiled just for promotional purposes. I would question why
>>> anyone would download something like that when they could download the
>>> whole books.
>>>
>>> On 2/20/2012 6:56 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>>> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called
>>>> This Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon
>>>> first to read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It
>>>> said there that the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to
>>>> Bookshare and found a PQ copy of the book. I looked it up under the
>>>> editor's name, and when I found the title I looked no further.
>>>> Interestingly, the date of addition was December 12, 2011. I was
>>>> impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was giving Bookshare their
>>>> books even before they were officially published. Well, that turned
>>>> out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the brf
>>>> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table
>>>> of contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was
>>>> in the table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to
>>>> Bookshare and entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that
>>>> I found two copies of the book, the severely truncated one I had
>>>> gotten originally, and the full edition, 545Kb in size for the brf
>>>> version, that was added on the same date it was officially published,
>>>> February 14.
>>>> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there
>>>> might be, but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you
>>>> find the first occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if
>>>> there is more than one instance, get the one with the most recent date
>>>> of addition.
>>>> Evan
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:29:58 -0600
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> Do you think these are books from the publishers that have been released as
> eBook samples? I know that on Amazon, there are Kindle books for $2 or $3
> that are very abridged and designed to let you try a book before you spend
> the whole amount on it.
>
> I'll watch for these books, too.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 8:51 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Watch Out for the Wrong PQ Book
>
>
>> If you mean the ones that look like advertising, I don't know. I only know
>> that when I came across them while browsing the newly added books I
>> thought about mentioning them here and of providing a link to make my
>> point. However, thinking about something too long can lead to inaction and
>> that is exactly what happened to me. I no longer remember the titles in
>> question and would not know how to find them in the collection again now.
>> I would have to come across them again and the collection is so large now
>> that it might be a while at the very least. I should have reported them
>> though. If anyone else does come across them then I would urge you to do
>> what I failed to do and report them.
>>
>> On 2/20/2012 9:04 PM, Ixchel, Jackie (M.E) wrote:
>>> Has anyone reported these books?
>>>
>>> On 2/20/12, Roger Loran Bailey<rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I have been contemplating downloading that one myself. I am glad you
>>>> gave the warning before I did. This, by the way, is a definite case to
>>>> make a quality report about. Now and then I have seen other publisher
>>>> books that have been added to the collection that I have not downloaded
>>>> but that I find questionable as to whether they really should be in the
>>>> collection such as books of excerpts of other books that have been
>>>> apparently compiled just for promotional purposes. I would question why
>>>> anyone would download something like that when they could download the
>>>> whole books.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/2012 6:56 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>>>> Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book called
>>>>> This Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to Amazon
>>>>> first to read a bit about it before deciding to check Bookshare. It
>>>>> said there that the book was published last Tuesday. So I went to
>>>>> Bookshare and found a PQ copy of the book. I looked it up under the
>>>>> editor's name, and when I found the title I looked no further.
>>>>> Interestingly, the date of addition was December 12, 2011. I was
>>>>> impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was giving Bookshare their
>>>>> books even before they were officially published. Well, that turned
>>>>> out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping the brf
>>>>> copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size. The table
>>>>> of contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and only what was
>>>>> in the table of contents was in that copy. So I went back up to
>>>>> Bookshare and entered the title into Advanced search. It was then that
>>>>> I found two copies of the book, the severely truncated one I had
>>>>> gotten originally, and the full edition, 545Kb in size for the brf
>>>>> version, that was added on the same date it was officially published,
>>>>> February 14.
>>>>> I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there
>>>>> might be, but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when you
>>>>> find the first occurrence of a book title you're looking for, and if
>>>>> there is more than one instance, get the one with the most recent date
>>>>> of addition.
>>>>> Evan
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:16:08 -0500
> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] duplicate books on bookshare
>
> Hello Evan,
> This is Elizabeth, who volunteered a as a proofreader/validator with
> bookshare many moons ago.
> You may remember that I have been barred from scanning and submitting
> books or from volunteering to proofread books. However, I am still a
> loyal borrower of bookshare books.
> I also file quality reports with bookshare every time I run across a
> title which is entered twice into the bookshare collection.
> There are many many such duplicate titles. Please encourage others to
> file similar quality reports.
> I read your message on the Volunteer List about running across two
> copies of a publisher-submitted book.
> What I am running across seems to be that same sort of thing.
> So, since I am not allowed to communicate on either bookshare list, I
> do ask you to pass along this message, minus my email address or
> name. Please just put the gist of what I say into a message asking
> others to check for duplicates and submit quality reports when you
> folks find them. Bookshare then sends out a note saying one of the
> copies has been removed.
> Thanks much.
>
> Former Volunteer,
> E.
> Elizabeth
>
> At 06:56 PM 2/20/2012, you wrote:
>>Today I had an odd experience on Bookshare. I downloaded a book
>>called This Will Make You Smarter edited by John Brockman. I went to
>>Amazon first to read a bit about it before deciding to check
>>Bookshare. It said there that the book was published last Tuesday.
>>So I went to Bookshare and found a PQ copy of the book. I looked it
>>up under the editor's name, and when I found the title I looked no
>>further. Interestingly, the date of addition was December 12, 2011.
>>I was impressed. It seemed that HarperCollins was giving Bookshare
>>their books even before they were officially published. Well, that
>>turned out not to be quite the case. After downloading and unzipping
>>the brf copy of the book, I found that it' was only 22.1Kb in size.
>>The table of contents had only a couple of the essays in it, and
>>only what was in the table of contents was in that copy. So I went
>>back up to Bookshare and entered the title into Advanced search. It
>>was then that I found two copies of the book, the severely truncated
>>one I had gotten originally, and the full edition, 545Kb in size for
>>the brf version, that was added on the same date it was officially
>>published, February 14.
>>
>>I don't know how many other instances of this kind of thing there
>>might be, but I thought I should mention it here. Don't stop when
>>you find the first occurrence of a book title you're looking for,
>>and if there is more than one instance, get the one with the most
>>recent date of addition.
>>
>>Evan
>>
>>
>>
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