Hi Lori! There are definitely ways to make your screen reader announce all kinds of things that will help! Unfortunately, I haven't memorized most of them, since I proofread primarily using Kurzweil 1000. However, don't lose hope. In Microsoft Word, pressing control+shift+8 is supposed to turn on the announcement of all of the paragraph markers and spaces and such. But I think there is something else one needs to do in more recent versions of JAWS, since I can't make this work now and used to be able to enable it. Maybe you know more about JAWS than I do. I'm going to paste here some sections from other e-mails from others that I've saved about how to make JAWS announce page breaks if it isn't. Again, I haven't had to do this, as my version of JAWS is happily (thank goodness) announcing them. ---- I can actually see page break with Word. By the way, with Jaws 9 you have to leave in the verbosity menu the item indicating page and column breaks on and ask the Jaws dictionary to see \012 as page break. --- And this is from another post about the same thing with more in depth instructions: it should be \012. Sorry. You need to press control-shift-d to change to the default dictionary or you can just go into the dictionary while in word with insert-d and add the entry there. That would work if you put the right code which is \012. --- And there are ways using the JAWS sound schemes to change the pitch of speech, or make a sound when you encounter bold or italicized text so you can identify it, if you want to. But again, I am a really, really basic JAWS user and don't know exactly how to achieve such things. So, there are ways to hear more using screen readers, I just don't know them. I'll bet others do though. If you are trying to get rid of extraneous paragraph marks, there is a section in the scanning and proofreading manual that describes in depth how to do this. Let me know if you can't find that, or if it doesn't work with what you're working with, and we can examine that differently. Sorry this has been a rather scattered answer to your questions. Please ask again if I have done nothing but cause more questions. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:27 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: baffling Screen Reader tips that people find helpful? Mayrie, Your message has caused me to raise the following questions. Are there settings in the various screen readers that people use specifically to enhance proofing? I realize that everyone's preferences are different, but I'm sure there are probably a few settings that people have found helpful. Please excuse my ignorance as I'm not strictly a JAWS user, but for I must have changed a setting as when I come across page breaks it now says something garbled. I must have changed something in the ins-v option or something. Any ideas what I might have done? I'll give some thought to any changes I might make with Window-Eyes or Jaws to improve my proofreading. I sure wish there was some way to anounce these crazy paragraph marks or line feeds. Thanks, Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: baffling > HI Debby, > > I'm not Ann, but I can answer your questions, I think. > > A hard page break is an actual break between pages inserted by the > OCR software. A soft page break is one inserted by Word if it thinks that > there is too much text to print on a page with the settings currently > assigned to the file. This is where paper size comes in. The larger Word > thinks the paper that you're printing on is, the less likely that it is to > insert soft and annoying page breaks. Those soft page breaks are only > visible to Word, and only tell it where to stop the printer between pages > when printing. They aren't in rtf documents submitted to bookshare either > by the submitter or proofreader of a book. They just throw off page count > for the proofreader if they exist in a book file. If you encounter them, > they can usually be eliminated by increasing your paper size. When > increasing paper size, I usually choose the largest paper size possible, > custom in the page set up dialogue and 22 inches as the number of inches > long. You really only need to mess with this if soft page breaks turn up > in > your document. Now, let me guess, you're wondering, how can you tell the > difference when listening whether a page break is hard or soft? I use > JAWS, > and this may be different with Window Eyes. However, I'll tell you what I > experience with my screen reader. If you arrow past a hard page break > with > your up and down arrows, Jaws announces "page break". If the page break > is > soft, my screen reader only says "page 22" or whatever number page Word > thinks you're on. > > Did I answer all of your questions? If not, please continue to ask. > > > Happy proofreading! > > Mayrie > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:49 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: baffling > > Hi Ann! > > Thanks for your welcome. > > Yes, Mayrie was helpful about the page numbering. > > What is the difference between a hard page break and a soft one? > > What is the best paper size to use in Word? I haven't changed it since I > installed it this summer. > > Debby > > At 07:43 AM 10/26/2009, Ann Parsons wrote >>Hi all, >> >>Debbie, nice to meet you. Good thing you have an optacon. That will >>make your life easier. 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