Hi Sue:
As far as I know Gustavo and Rui have never conversed about the reject list. Hope this answers your questions. If not ask some more and I will try to answer it for you. *smile*
*** Grace
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From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
Grace,
I have been wondering how Rui picks up books for his "no book left behind"
initiative. I e-mail him when I reject a book which is what he said to do,
so he can pick them up. How does he pick them up? Does he send a list to
Gustavo??? I am asking because this seems like a very valuable list (I mean
his list)..
Sue S.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
though,Dear Cindy:
My message wasn't specifically meant for you. You're not the only one that
chimes in when books get rejected. I am glad you didn't take offenseIbecause I certainly did not want to offend anyone.
I just wanted to explain how those of us who reject books feel about it.
It's definitely my least favorite thing to do. Just ask my husband. *grin*just wanted to express another point of view.line.
I also think that submitters who don't care about the finished product
should not be rewarded for throwing up sloppy work. In many cases it takes
less time to scan a book than to validate and clean it up well. In this
particular case it was nice to see a submitter step up and say that
something went wrong and resubmit the book.
*** Grace
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
> Dear Lissi,
>
> I don't think Grace's comments were made with you in
> mind--most likely with me, since I'm the one who
> usually complains because I'd have like the chance to
> fix the books--especially since not all of them have
> anything else wrong with then. The last 4 have been
> almost perfect scans, the only thing wrong being that
> hard page breaks weren't there and sometimes page
> numbers were missing. But I've learned a lot about
> Native American wisdom and philosophy, and some
> history. Anyway, I've come to know Grace through her
> posts and some private correspondence and I'm not
> offended at all.
>
> Cindy
>
> --- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Dear Grace and Mickey,
>>
>> Mickey, I'm sorry I spoke up on rejecting books
>> without knowing the rules.
>> Anyway, I think you understood I meant no criticism.
>> It just boils down to
>> the fact that if something on the step one page
>> appeals to me, I'll validate
>> it for the fun of it, not for credit, but just
>> because it's there and I like
>> it and don't have the right equipment to scan for
>> myself.
>>
>> I appreciate your clarification on Bookshare's
>> guidelines for rejecting
>> books, Grace. I admit I'm impatient with reading all
>> of the information I
>> should. I know enough to prepare validations, but I
>> have a one track mind
>> and validation is all I really care about. With that
>> in mind, I really
>> shouldn't comment on topics I don't know enough
>> about. In this case, not
>> having done my homework, I realize I was expressing
>> an opinion not well
>> grounded in fact. Now I'm better informed.
>>
>> Always with love,
>>
>> Lissi
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:25 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: comments on rejecting
>>
>>
>> > Dear Volunteers:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I am writing to tell you about a pet peeve of
>> mine. I have noticed that
>> > every time someone posts that they've rejected a
>> book, there's always
>> > emails in response saying that the person
>> shouldn't have. Speaking for
>> > myself, I do not reject a book lightly. If I
>> really don't feel like
>> > dealing with the book I release it. I only reject
>> books that I feel would
>> > take less time to rescan. Some might say that the
>> collection loses out on
>> > a potential gem. I will argue that if said book is
>> that important someone
>> > will take the time to rescan it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As for rejecting books due to lack of page breaks,
>> doing so is following
>> > bookshare policy. It has been 1 year since
>> Bookshare has instituted the
>> > policy of page breaks. In my opinion that's
>> plenty of time for submitters
>> > to learn to follow the rules. Validators spending
>> many hours adding page
>> > breaks is setting a bad precedent for submitters.
>> They don't follow the
>> > rules and yet their books still get accepted.
>> Remember submitters get the
>> > major credit for submitting the books and yet
>> conscientious validators get
>> > the grunt work and little to show for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Frankly I don't post on the list when I reject
>> books because of the
>> > negative responses over time. I don't enjoy
>> rejecting books at all. I
>> > only do when it's necessary. Additionally if the
>> reason for rejecting is
>> > not valid the admin kicks it back and says to
>> validate it. I have seen it
>> > happen before. Also, nothing prevents the
>> submitter from cleaning the book
>> > up and resubmitting it. .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As Mickey stated all we want to do is a good job.
>> And in this case she was
>> > following Bookshare policy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Although some people may prefer quantity over
>> quality, the community does
>> > prefer quality over quantity on the aggregate, as
>> observed on a previous
>> > bookshare survey. This includes proper pagination
>> as well as clear
>> > readable text. Therefore spending countless hours
>> saving every book is not
>> > always the best way to use our valuable time.
>> Perhaps if less time was
>> > spent cleaning up scanning messes more books could
>> be added to the
>> > collection.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This is my 2 cents worth for today, or perhaps
>> even the whole month.
>> > *grin*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Grace
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "mickey" <micka@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:58 PM
>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Just rejected
>> >
>> >
>> >>I get very confused. When I've released books
>> because they didn't have
>> >>page breaks, I was told I should have rejected
>> them. When I reject, I'm
>> >>told I should have kept. We need guidelines,
>> because either way I go,
>> >>someone figures I should have done it differently.
>> All I want to do is do
>> >>a good job. Maybe we can get Gustavo to put it
>> back, since I told him
>> >>what the reason was.
>> >>
>> >> Mickey
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:49 PM
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Just rejected
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Aah, Mickey. If you'd released it, I could have
>> taken
>> >>> it it. The book, at least in a couple of forms,
>> is
>> >>> available in my library systems, and it looks
>> like one
>> >>> I'd enjoy reading--and it's relatively short.
>> smile.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy
>> >>>
>> >>> --- mickey <micka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi. I had to reject Rutland Place by Anne
>> Perry.
>> >>>> There were no detectable
>> >>>> page breaks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good scan, too.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mickey
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mickey Prahin
>> >>>> Phone: (614) 670-4011
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>> >>>> http://www.boballentrio.com
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