Dear Cindy, Susan, Judy, and Booksharian Friends,
Did I say size 200 on covers? Drat. I meant size 20 looks cool visually and is
in fact big on covers, but for Bookshare files it’s supposed to be size 12. OK?
Susan, You are so right about how helpful sighted volunteers are and I’m afraid
Cindy might be the only one left who helps with books that baffle blind
volunteers. She’s so generous. She helps anyone and everyone and is just
restricted by the number of hours she has in a day.
I’m sorry everyone for the boo booze I tend to make in emails. They are part of
the reason I try not to post too often.
Always with love,
Lissi
From: Estelnalissi
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:22 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: another question about tbook I'm proofing
Dear Cindy,
It’s helpful that you take time to describe the covers of books. It’s a bonus
for us readers. It sounds as if your descriptions set the tone for the story to
come. I put my descriptions in brackets, too, but now I write the word Image:
before I start the description because staff wrote to tell me to start them
that way. I liked writing Picture, drawing, graph or whatever first, but I’ve
gotten used to writing Image before the description and it’s fine since it’s
the new standard. It’s finally getting automatic.
The only suggestion I’d make to you for covers is to write the title in size 12
there and then in bold on the title page. Putting it in bold and size 200 makes
sense on the cover since the title is usually huge there, but we put the title
in bold and size twenty for audio, daisy navigation and a person looking for
the title only needs to find it once and on the title page makes sense for that
so they’ll get the author’s name and the publisher all in the same place. I
hope I’m not being confusing. The bottom line is to only bold and 20 the title
once in a whole book and do it on the title page. Otherwise keep doing your
covers just with the titles in size 12 and unbolded.
If it helps, this is the chart I use.
Title size 20 and bold once only on the title page.
Major portions of a book, if there are any, size 18 and bold.
Chapter names size 16 and bold and for braille readers I write the word chapter
because braille readers don’t have font sizes to navigate by.
subsections of chapters, if there are any, size 14 and bold and I write
[subsection] for braille navigation
Everything else is size 12 and only bolded if it’s bolded in the print book.
Picture descriptions are in brackets starting with the word, Image:.
I bet all of us have little personal quirks in the way we format which isn’t
terrible as long as we are following the required guidelines and aren’t messing
with the original text or distracting readers with embellishments that aren’t
needed. I wouldn’t worry about the way you’ve done books differently in the
past. I’ve been shocked by the lack of sophistication in some of my earliest
proofread books from 2006. All of us who’ve been doing this for a long time
have changed our ways many, many times as Bookshare staff has requested this
change and that change as the formatting of books has evolved since the
beginning when there were practically no requirements at all. Has anyone read
some of the earliest books? We’ve really improved in good ways.
And, don’t worry about books you’ve done differently. They are still very
readable and great additions to the library.
Always with love,
Lissi
From: Cindy Rosenthal
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:06 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: another question about tbook I'm proofing
They possibly don't scan ( though Susan says that Larry' sometime gets them
tand I proof his books and include the cover don't scan but I proof and I
do describe them. With all teh other books I've proofed I've included cover,
everything written on it, like title I which I've put in 20 point Bol)d "by
... if the author is given, subtitle if it's included, and a description of
any picture or illustration, which often gives information or an idea of what
the book is about. I put it as a first page in i brackets , e.g., [cover: The
Silver Cross by B. Kent Anderson [picture of a large medieval silver cross
with a gemstone where cross bars meetn meet. In mysteries there were pictures
of possibly a body that had been stabbed, or maybe howling dog. I think Mr.
Champion's farthing had a picture of a dark figure looking out of a lit window
from the top floor of a mansion and Freedom Hall's cover has a picture of
columns on the front of a square white building with a flag draped over
the entrance o(I can't remember if it's an American flag but thinking of the
story of the book it's (historical fiction it probably was)
Cidy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Roger Loran Bailey
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't think we scan covers. At least I have never had any luck with trying
to do so.
On 6/30/2016 12:43 AM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:
Thanks, Judy. Does that include the cover? I'll change my ways instantly
and copy the info to my notes
CINDY
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Cindy, you need to go by what Bookshare calls the title page, not by
what Wikipedia says. For Bookshare, the title page is the page that has the
title, the author and the publisher.
On that page, and on that page only according to the Bookshare
proofreading guidelines, the title should be 20 points and bold. Everywhere
else the title appears it is in the same text format as the rest of the book --
12 points, without bolding.
Hope that helps!
Judy s.
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On 6/29/2016 11:18 PM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:
I, then, have been doing this wrong for lo these many years. I didn't
realize that the title page had not only the title but the other info, like the
publisher, etc., so I googled and to see what exactly is teh title page of
a book )or thesis,etc. Wikipedia says : "The title page of a book, thesis or
other written work is the page at or near the front which displays its title.
This page contains only (emphasis here is mine)the title in a fashion similar
to the rest of the text within the book.
I thought that was the title page but did not think it should have
the title in " in a fashion similar to the rest of the book. Does that
necessarily mean in 12 point? Or can it mean in the same font, e.g. Times
Roman, not the same size. I've been proofing for years. I've been putting the
title in 20 point Bold both when it's on the cover and the title page; When
the title reappears on the same page as the publisher info I put it in12
point not bold along with the rest of the page.. Should I now change my
ways? I' may be an old dog but I'm not tooold to learn new tricks smile
Cindy
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Sandra Ryan <sjryan2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Aidee,
Yes, you should put the title standing by itself on the first page in
12-point. As you clearly understand, the title page, where it should appear in
20-point bold, is the page with the title, author, and publisher on it. The
only place the title should appear in this larger bold font is on the title
page.
Sandi
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] another question about tbook I'm proofing
Hello All:
This is Aidee, one of the proofreaders. I have another (hopefully)
tiny question. In the book I'm working on, the very first page of the book is
just the title of the book, in 20 point and bolded. But a few pages further on,
the title of the book appears again. It looks like this.
LEIGH BARDUGO
SIX OF CROWS
HENRY HOLT AND COMPANY
NEW YORK
In the file I have, it appears as though the title is in 20 point and
bolded.
My question is this: Should I make the title of the book on the very
first page 12 point, and leave the title of the book that appears further on at
20 points and bolded, or vice versa. This is the first time I've seen something
like this in a book I've proofed (although I've only done a few). I looked
through the list for a similar question, and I saw that a similar case was
directed to have the title on the first page be 12 points, because it appeared
by itself without the author's name.
I'd really appreciate any help, and I apologize for any and all
inconvenience.
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Aidee
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