[bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians?
- From: "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:56:54 -0400
Actually, I was being sarcastic. Beyond that, I am vehemently opposed to
eliminating page numbers, even in brf. Here is one example of why. I just
submitted a book called The Dark Side of Camelot. It has footnotes that
start in the middle of pages. Someone with the page breaks available can
skip those footnotes. Not so the fortunate individuals who are absolutely
kept in the dark because numbers and breaks are not there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians?
>
> Ah, Ken, I hate to rain on your parade, but what about those of us who
MUST
> access brf and do not have Kurzweil? I would find it very tedious to
read
> a book in uncontracted Braille, and I only have ms word and a notetaker.
> <smile>
>
> Regards, Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:24 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians?
>
>
> Well, since we can be totally sure that none of the pages of any of the
> books on the system have been duplicated or misplaced, then we don't need
> the page numbers. Our accuracy has eliminated their need. I do have a
> concern about those one or two exceptions which might have crept onto the
> system.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Pardees" <fpardee@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:21 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians?
>
>
> >
> > Kenneth, You are again correct, there are no printed page
> > numbers, but the numbers assigned by Kurzweil are correct, if they were
> > not the titles would not appear on the correct page. again the printed
> page
> > numbers should appear on the page, but since they do not, If I wanted to
> > indicate a particular page I would quote a phrase from that page and it
> > can be found with the find feature.
> > I appreciate and sympathize with your problem.
> >
> > Jim
> >
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> > At 11:44 AM 7/24/05, you wrote:
> >
> > >Let's try this again. I searched for the number 2 as part of a search
> not
> > >involving whole-word. Between pages twenty and thirty, after setting
the
> > >pages so that page 1 is indeed page 1, I found that there was one 2 in
> the
> > >entire ten pages. You are right that the chapters do coincide with the
> > >contents, but most of the pages are not numbered. Now I can check
using
> the
> > >contents, but if I want to talk to anybody about material in a given
> story,
> > >I can only hope that the numbering is right. Am I missing something?
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "The Pardees" <fpardee@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:14 AM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kenneth,
> > > > I have just redownloaded Thieves Dozen with Kurzweil and you are
> right
> > > > that the page numbers are not correct, however, if you set the
> operator
> > > > page numbers to skip the preliminary pages and set page 1 at the
> actual
> > > > beginning of the book they are then correct and the table of
> > > > contents matches, so I do not believe there any missing page
breaks.
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea how the Braille version would turn out.
> > > > I agree that the stripper could be modified in some way to retain
the
> > > > actual page numbers, but I believe the elimination of the stripper
> would
> > > > result in even more confusion.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > At 08:00 AM 7/24/05, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I just downloaded Thieves Dozen. There are a few page numbers, but
> only
> > >a
> > > > >few in the copy I found. I looked only quickly, but even some of
the
> > > > >chapters don't begin on the pages mentioned in the contents. I did
> not
> > > > >download the brf version, but I am going to do that now. I expect
> what
> > >will
> > > > >be mostly missing are the actual page breaks. But that, for the
> moment,
> > >is
> > > > >speculation.
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "The Pardees" <fpardee@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kellie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All I can comment on is my experience with my submissions that I
> have
> > > > >later
> > > > > > downloaded from Bookshare and read . Plus other submissions that
I
> > >have
> > > > > > downloaded. Two examples of the first are Thieves Dozen and
> > >Cheapskate.
> > > > >I
> > > > > > downloaded them in Kurzweil, which chooses the Daisy format.
Both
> > >retained
> > > > > > the chapter headings and page numbering.
> > > > > > There were no headings, since I had removed them.
> > > > > > About other people's submissions I've downloaded, using Kurzweil
> and
> > >more
> > > > > > recently, Bookport, the pages were numbered and there were no
> garbled
> > > > > > headers. Perhaps I have been lucky in choosing books that had
all
> > >headers
> > > > > > stripped by the valadater, but I doubt it.
> > > > > > Maybe the book is run through the stripper a number of times to
> catch
> > >the
> > > > > > junk, I don't know. I do not doubt that others have problems
with
> the
> > > > > > stripper, but so far I have not.
> > > > > > I will now return to scanning Motive For Murder, which I will
> submit
> > >in
> > > > >the
> > > > > > next several days.
> > > > > > I feel all of us on this list should be proud of what we have
> > >contributed
> > > > > > to a extremely worthy project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
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> > > > > > At 04:22 PM 7/23/05, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi Jim,
> > > > > > >I think everyone agrees with you about nonsensical header gap.
> <grin>
> > > > > > >Unfortunately, it's those mangled headers that *don't* get
> stripped
> > >by
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >stripper. When the headers are nice and neat and uniform they,
> along
> > >with
> > > > > > >page numbers and chapter headings, get munched without a second
> > >thought.
> > > > > > >Which leaves all of us, lovers and haters of headers alike,
stuck
> > >with
> > > > >this
> > > > > > >junk that isn't useful even to those of us who may actually
need
> info
> > > > >from
> > > > > > >those headers.
> > > > > > >Kellie
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