Thanks, Mayrie, I'm happy to hear this.Since the experts don't even agree, and OCR engines don't recognize them consistently even in the same book, and they are correctly represented by Bookshare's braille translator only when they are without spaces, there doesn't seem to be any solid argument for writing them with spaces.
For those like myself who use the double dash in place of the em dash out of a concern that Bookshare's brf files be of the highest quality, using periods without spaces is pretty much a no brainer.
Evan----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Julia, The upshot is that depending upon who you ask, the ellipsis is supposed to be represented either with or without spaces separating the dots. So, whichever way people choose to do it, they're correct as far as visual representation is concerned. At least, that's what I understood. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julia Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:22 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What several gramatical publications say aboutthe ellipsis. Wow, this is very complicated, and if I may say so, quite technical and confusing. Maybe if I knew unicode it would make more sense. Julia----- Original Message ----- From: <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:30 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] What several gramatical publications say about theellipsis.Hi Guys, Oh, boy! The ellipsis gets complicated if you look into it. Hereare some statements that I found about its usage and how it can and shouldbe typed. Have fun! See below. Mayrie In English The style and use varies in the English language. The Chicago Manual of Style suggests the use of an ellipsis for any omitted word, phrase, line, or paragraph from within a quoted passage. There are two commonly used methods of using ellipses: one uses three dots for any omission, while the second makes a distinction between omissions within a sentence (using three dots: .?.?.) and omissions between sentences (using a period and a space followed by three dots: . .?.?.). An ellipsis at the end of a sentence with no sentence following should be followed by a period (for a total of four dots). The Modern Language Association (MLA) however, used to indicate that an ellipsis must include spaces before and after each dot in all uses. If an ellipsis is meant to represent an omission, square bracketsmust surround the ellipsis to make it clear that there was no pause in theoriginal quote: [ .?.?. ]. Currently, the MLA has removed the requirement of brackets in their style handbooks. However, the use of brackets is still correct as it clears confusion. [1] According to Robert Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style , the details of typesetting ellipses depend on the character and size of the font being set and the typographer's preference. Bringhurst writes that a full space between each dot is "another Victorian eccentricity. In most contexts, the Chicago ellipsis is much too wide" ? he recommends using flush dots, or thin-spaced dots (up to one-fifth of an em ), or the prefabricated ellipsis character ( Unicode U+2026, Latin entity …). Bringhurst suggests that normally an ellipsis should be spacedfore-and-aft to separate it from the text, but when it combines with otherpunctuation, the leading space disappears and the other punctuation follows. He provides the following examples: i?? j k?. l?, l l,?? l m?? n?..! In legal writing in the United States, Rule 5.3 in the Bluebookcitation guide governs the use of ellipses and requires a space before thefirst dot and between the two subsequent dots. If an ellipsis ends the sentence, then there are three dots, each separated by a space, followed by the final punctuation. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list ofavailable commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
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