[bksvol-discuss] Re: What braces look like in print (was Re: Re: Proofing: Is this correct?)
- From: "Martha Rafter" <mlhr@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:44:17 -0500
Oh Roger, you gave me my chuckle of the day. I’m sure that it wasn’t funny for
you at the time!
Marty
From: Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:36 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What braces look like in print (was Re: Re:
Proofing: Is this correct?)
I had a belt a few years ago that kind of self destructed. On a whim I decided
to try out a pair of suspenders. I could not help feeling like my pants were
falling down, so I kept tightening the suspenders. It got to the point that I
was walking in a stoop and my pants were pulled up so high that my crotch was
rubbing raw. I finally decided that the damnable things were just too entirely
uncomfortable and went back to a belt.
On 11/30/2012 11:17 PM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:
chuckle--not to Regina's note--sympathy for the headache--but to Judy's
wonderful description of brackets and how the parentheses got that way;
An added irrelevant comment because I never know when to stop; ( braces are
also, in England, I think, suspenders (of course many of you may be too young
to know what suspendrs are (or were) here in the u.S.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvarado@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Judy. I found my brackets which was the symbol Madeleine wants me
to use for [blank page]. Thanks for your wonderful description of these
symbols in print.
Reggie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:07 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] What braces look like in print (was Re: Re:
Proofing: Is this correct?)
Hi Reggie,
Sorry to hear about the headache--thank goodness it's better.
In appearance, brackets are parenthesis that went to a military academy to
make them straight and precise with right angles instead of gentle curves.
grin. Parentheses are curved, as if you took and erased the top and bottom of
a circle, leaving the left and right side of a circle. Brackets are made from
a square, as if you took and erased the middle out of the top and bottom of a
square box, leaving the left and right hand sides and a bit of the top and the
bottom of the box on each side.
One way to feel the shapes might be as follows. To feel the shape of a
left brace, hold a rectangular cereal box in front of you in your right hand,
with the broadest side of the box facing you, and the top of the box facing the
ceiling. Put your index finger of your left hand in the middle of the top of
the box. Run your finger across the top of the box towards your left, then run
your finger down the left side of the box, then go to the right and run your
finger across the bottom of the box. That's the shape that a left hand brace
takes, the brace that corresponds to a left parenthesis. Now, hold the cereal
box in front of you in your left hand, again with the broadest side of the box
facing you. Put your index finger of your right hand in the middle of the top
of the box. Run your finger across the top of the box towards your right, then
run your finger down the right side of the box, then go to the left and run
your finger across the bottom of the box. That's the shape that a right hand
brace takes, the brace that corresponds to a right parenthesis.
Judy s.
On 11/30/2012 6:40 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:
Thanks all. I had a major headache which Tylenol has now dwindled to
slight. I knew what I was putting down but probably wrote the wrong word for
it. When I got responses to both what I did and to my word, I kind of flipped
out. Sorry. I am really working on doing it correctly.
Madeleine asked me to put Blank Page in brackets instead of parenthesis.
Well, I have never had to put in the designation before but had seen it written
by others. I actually had to play a little with my keyboard to see where the
brackets were. I never have used them before myself in writing, and I never
had occasion to use them at work. What do they look like in print compared to
the parenthesis? Now I am curious. After searching though, I sure won’t forget
where they are on the keyboard. Now I will never get another book that I need
to put [Blank Page] in.
Reggie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:07 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?
Reggie,
The asterisks or stars are the correct symbol. I do not know where the
discussion of ellipses came from. Some books may use them to indicate change
of scene, but this list has always used asterisks.
This list should be helpful not confusing. The amount of confusion that
seems to have erupted recently concerns me.
Lori C.
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:29 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?
Ug! Confused once again! Maybe this just getting to be too much for me? I
just uploaded having put * * * between change of scenery lines. Probably will
get it back! Ug. Someday maybe I will understand, but have a headache right
now so will not worry about this book until it comes back! Is it supposed to
be like this?
Line of text
. . .
Line of text
The utterly confused, hurting and tired one
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:11 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?
Except for one thing. The ellipsis is to be treated as a word. If it is
at the end of a sentence it consists of the three dots and then an additional
period for a total of four dots. If it indicates a change of scenery or scene
it is still treated that way and with no asterisks. A change of scene may be
indicated with an ellipsis or it may be indicated with a blank line or it may
be indicated with both. The three asterisks are to be used when there is a
blank line that we want to retain though. Most often that is an indication of a
passage of time or an indication of scene, but it does not necessarily have to
be. Whatever it indicates it is replaced with three asterisks. It has nothing
to do with the ellipsis.
On 11/29/2012 11:41 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:
Hi Reggie,
This looks correct to me for a book where the page numbers are at the
bottom.
Sandi
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From: Regina Alvarado
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:43 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Proofing: Is this correct?
Received a book back for more editing. Before I send back, I am
trying to proof the new way. Want to know if this is correct. I understand
about the font and points. However, have a few other questions:
1.. When putting an ellipsis to denote change of scenery it is done
like this?
Line of text
* * *
Line of text
2.. If the number is at the bottom of the page it is done like
this?
Last Line of text on a page
page number
Page break
3.. When there is a chapter name (understanding bolding and points
and fon) it is set up like this?
First line below page break
Chapter number and title
First line of text
4.. When there is the start of a new page it is done like this.
Line at top of page
First line of text
I will say thanks to anyone who helps. Want to get this book up and
not have it come back for even more editing.
Reggie
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