[bksvol-discuss] Re: What braces look like in print (was Re: Re: Proofing: Is this correct?)

  • From: "Martha Rafter" <mlhr@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:40:33 -0500

Wow!  Thank you Roger!  What is the purpose of braces?  Are they used sort of 
like brackets?  Marty

From: Roger Loran Bailey 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:05 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What braces look like in print (was Re: Re: 
Proofing: Is this correct?)

In the middle of your message you switched from calling it a bracket to calling 
it a brace. You were still describing a bracket though. I am sure that this was 
an accident on your part, but to avoid confusion I thought I should point it 
out. That brings up the question of how you would describe the shape of a brace 
though. Now, that one is complicated. Think of the description of a 
parenthesis. Shrink it to about half the size of a parenthesis and place two of 
them together one on top of the other and facing the same way. Then connect 
them with an acute angle on the rounded side and between them. The apex of the 
acute angle should be pointing outward. By outward I mean in the direction 
opposite to the word or phrase that is enclosed in braces.

On 11/30/2012 9:06 PM, Judy s. wrote:

  Hi Reggie,

  Sorry to hear about the headache--thank goodness it's better.

  In appearance, brackets are parenthesis that went to a military academy to 
make them straight and precise with right angles instead of gentle curves. 
grin.  Parentheses are curved, as if you took and erased the top and bottom of 
a circle, leaving the left and right side of a circle.  Brackets are made from 
a square, as if you took and erased the middle out of the top and bottom of a 
square box, leaving the left and right hand sides and a bit of the top and the 
bottom of the box on each side.

  One way to feel the shapes might be as follows.  To feel the shape of a left 
brace, hold a rectangular cereal box in front of you in your right hand, with 
the broadest side of the box facing you, and the top of the box facing the 
ceiling.  Put your index finger of your left hand in the middle of the top of 
the box.  Run your finger across the top of the box towards your left, then run 
your finger down the left side of the box, then go to the right and run your 
finger across the bottom of the box.  That's the shape that a left hand brace 
takes, the brace that corresponds to a left parenthesis.  Now, hold the cereal 
box in front of you in your left hand, again with the broadest side of the box 
facing you.  Put your index finger of your right hand in the middle of the top 
of the box.  Run your finger across the top of the box towards your right, then 
run your finger down the right side of the box, then go to the left and run 
your finger across the bottom of the box.  That's the shape that a right hand 
brace takes, the brace that corresponds to a right parenthesis. 


  Judy s.
  On 11/30/2012 6:40 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

    Thanks all.  I had a major headache which Tylenol has now dwindled to 
slight.  I knew what I was putting down but probably wrote the wrong word for 
it.  When I got responses to both what I did and to my word, I kind of flipped 
out.  Sorry.  I am really working on doing it correctly.  



    Madeleine asked me to put Blank Page in brackets instead of parenthesis.  
Well, I have never had to put in the designation before but had seen it written 
by others.  I actually had to play a little with my keyboard to see where the 
brackets were.  I never have used them before myself in writing, and I never 
had occasion to use them at work.  What do they look like in print compared to 
the parenthesis? Now I am curious.  After searching though, I sure won’t forget 
where they are on the keyboard.  Now I will never get another book that I need 
to put [Blank Page] in.

    Reggie




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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
    Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:07 PM
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?



    Reggie,



    The asterisks or stars are the correct symbol.  I do not know where the 
discussion of ellipses came from.  Some books may use them to indicate change 
of scene, but this list has always used asterisks.



    This list should be helpful not confusing.  The amount of confusion that 
seems to have erupted recently concerns me.



    Lori C.





    From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Regina Alvarado
    Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:29 PM
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?



    Ug! Confused once again! Maybe this just getting to be too much for me? I 
just uploaded having put * * * between change of scenery lines.  Probably will 
get it back! Ug.  Someday maybe I will understand, but have a headache right 
now so will not worry about this book until it comes back!  Is it supposed to 
be like this?



    Line of text

    . . .

    Line of text



    The utterly confused, hurting and tired one






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    From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
    Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:11 PM
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Is this correct?



    Except for one thing. The ellipsis is to be treated as a word. If it is at 
the end of a sentence it consists of the three dots and then an additional 
period for a total of four dots. If it indicates a change of scenery or scene 
it is still treated that way and with no asterisks. A change of scene may be 
indicated with an ellipsis or it may be indicated with a blank line or it may 
be indicated with both. The three asterisks are to be used when there is a 
blank line that we want to retain though. Most often that is an indication of a 
passage of time or an indication of scene, but it does not necessarily have to 
be. Whatever it indicates it is replaced with three asterisks. It has nothing 
to do with the ellipsis.    

    On 11/29/2012 11:41 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:

      Hi Reggie,



      This looks correct to me for a book where the page numbers are at the 
bottom.  



      Sandi



        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Regina Alvarado 

        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:43 PM

        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Proofing: Is this correct?



        Received a book back for more editing.  Before I send back, I am trying 
to proof the new way.  Want to know if this is correct.  I understand about the 
font and points.  However, have a few other questions:



          1.. When putting an ellipsis to denote change of scenery it is done 
like this? 


        Line of text

        * * *

        Line of text



          2.. If the number is at the bottom of the page it is done like this? 


        Last Line of text on a page



        page number

        Page break



          3.. When there is a chapter name (understanding bolding and points 
and fon) it is set up like this? 


        First line below page break



        Chapter number and title

        First line of text



          4.. When there is the start of a new page it is done like this. 


        Line at top of page



        First line of text



        I will say thanks to anyone who helps.  Want to get this book up and 
not have it come back for even more editing.

        Reggie






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