[bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating system
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:55:56 -0700
Please, I've read a bunch of messages and I hope we can give it a rest.
Personally, I want information about a book. If the plot sounds interesting
I will download it if I like it. As for the word you mentioned, Roger I
personally could do without being sworn at. Enough already, okay? Regards,
Kim.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:44 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating system
Exactly! It is obvious. So why do so many people seem to miss the obvious?
Why do they think other people should protect them from something they won't
like? Why do they seem to think that it will be such an unmitigated disaster
if they just happen to be accidentally exposed to something they don't
like,. Sheesh! that has been happening to people ever since there has been
people and the world has not come to and end because of it yet. Furthermore
children hear the word fuck every day too and they remain unharmed by the
experience. It is amazing how uptight people can become over nothing while
being oblivious of things that really might impact them.
_ _ _
"As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the world"
Virginia Woolf
The Militant:
http://www.themilitant.com
Pathfinder Press:
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International:
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:14 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating system
> All you are doing here is stating the obvious, which is that any system is
> imperfect. I have answered this in another message. Sighted people have
> had such information for music and movies for many years now, and somehow
> the world hasn't come to an end just yet.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating system
>
>
>>I am all in favor of information. It still remains, though, that you will
>>still start reading books now and then that you don't like. And it still
>>remains that when you do it won't kill you. And it still remains that what
>>what you may consider anathema will be just fine with someone else and
>>when that other person is in the position of screening books for you, you
>>will still find yourself reading books that you find anathema.
>>
>>
>> _ _ _
>>
>> "As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the world"
>> Virginia Woolf
>>
>> The Militant:
>> http://www.themilitant.com
>> Pathfinder Press:
>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>> Granma International:
>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:19 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating
>> system
>>
>>
>>> The VAT proposal is not about screening books, it is about informing
>>> readers. I thought you were all in favor of that.
>>>
>>> Evan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:12 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating
>>> system
>>>
>>>
>>>> To be honest, when I choose a book to read I do so on the basis of the
>>>> synopsis, various reviews I have read, sometimes the fact that the
>>>> title appears in a bibliography and back when I was sighted I even made
>>>> the mistake of judging a few books by their covers, that is, I liked
>>>> the picture on them. There are other criteria too, such as genre,
>>>> author and more. However, no matter what factors go into my decision I
>>>> still find myself occasionally reading books I don't like. In fact, I
>>>> am currently reading a book I downloaded from RFB&D that I am disliking
>>>> more and more as I go along. Personally, I seem to have a compulsion to
>>>> finish any book I start, no matter how much I dislike it, but that is
>>>> just my own little quirk. I am well aware that others will just quit
>>>> and go on to something else and that is okay with me. I suppose that
>>>> quitting is the most effective way to rid oneself of a stinker that one
>>>> accidentally starts to read. One thing I have never expected, though,
>>>> is for other people to screen my books for me. I have also never felt
>>>> obligated to screen books for others. There are any number of books I
>>>> might recommend and while discussing books with others I might mention
>>>> that I came across a stinker and tell why I thought it was a stinker,
>>>> but it is not my place to screen books for other people. I would
>>>> suppose that everyone else makes their decisions about what to read in
>>>> much the same way. That is, they know what they like or what they need
>>>> for a particular purpose and they seek out books that meet those
>>>> criteria. I would also suppose that now and then they make a mistake.
>>>> When one of those mistakes are made and assuming that the person making
>>>> the mistake does not have my compulsion, what is the big problem about
>>>> just stopping the reading? What is this demand that others screen the
>>>> books? Is there really any other person, and especially any other
>>>> person you do not know intimately, who cannot also make a mistake when
>>>> screening your books?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _ _ _
>>>>
>>>> "As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the world"
>>>> Virginia Woolf
>>>>
>>>> The Militant:
>>>> http://www.themilitant.com
>>>> Pathfinder Press:
>>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>>>> Granma International:
>>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:41 AM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating
>>>> system
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We can't overcomplexify the system or nobody will use it. Every book
>>>>> is unique, and we can't have a check mark for every possible level of
>>>>> content that people might want to know about. Remember that the
>>>>> proposal for check marks is for people who want a quick way of weeding
>>>>> out content that they may want to avoid in their reading. That means
>>>>> that it needs to be fairly short and simple. If we have a lot of marks
>>>>> to check, readers will not want to go through them to see if any are
>>>>> checked, and submitters and proofers won't want to have to decide on
>>>>> which ones and how many to check. Submitters and proofers will always
>>>>> have the long synopsis in which they can give a more nuanced
>>>>> description of a book's content if they wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evan
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VAT's proposed change to adult rating
>>>>> system
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm My only objection to these categories is that sexual situations
>>>>>> is different from explicit descriptions of sex; it could include
>>>>>> kissing and mild situations such as caressing; would people object to
>>>>>> that? Also,, although "strong lanugage might be o.k. for obscenities,
>>>>>> would it include profanity (as commonly understood, Roger)?
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
>>>>>> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Books Being Scanned List:
>>>>>> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] VAT's proposed change to adult rating
>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 12:48 PM
>>>>>>> Because numerous problems around the
>>>>>>> adult rating system have come up frequently the following
>>>>>>> was proposed by the Volunteer Advisory Team to
>>>>>>> Bookshare. It is currently under consideration by
>>>>>>> Bookshare for implementation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From VAT to Bookshare:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on discussions on the volunteer booklist, and amongst
>>>>>>> ourselves, we,
>>>>>>> the volunteer advisory team, would like to request that
>>>>>>> Bookshare make the
>>>>>>> following changes to the book rating system:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Both submitters and proofreaders should have the ability
>>>>>>> to make
>>>>>>> decisions concerning a book's content status.
>>>>>>> 2. That three checkboxes indicating whether or not a book
>>>>>>> has "strong
>>>>>>> language", "descriptions of sexual situations" and
>>>>>>> "violence" either replace
>>>>>>> the current method of rating a book as adult or not, or be
>>>>>>> developed in
>>>>>>> addition to the current adult rating structure.
>>>>>>> 3. That the results of these checkboxes be placed
>>>>>>> prominently on the new
>>>>>>> books list, most popular books list and book searches, any
>>>>>>> screen that shows
>>>>>>> multiple books as well as on the book information screen.
>>>>>>> 4. That options can be configured in My Account, so
>>>>>>> that a user can elect
>>>>>>> not to be presented with titles that have been marked as
>>>>>>> containing strong
>>>>>>> language, explicit descriptions of sex or violence.
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 5. That Bookshare publish guidelines, including, but
>>>>>>> not necessarily
>>>>>>> limited to a complete list of words which the tools
>>>>>>> consider to indicate
>>>>>>> adult content, for volunteers to employ when making
>>>>>>> these designations, so
>>>>>>> that as much as possible of the subjectivity can be
>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy s, co-chair, VAT
>>>>>>>
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