[bksvol-discuss] Re: Titles

  • From: Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:35:04 -0500

No I am asking what prompted the decision to deal with eliminating one set of titles altogether and retain another set of titles. The whole thing seems to be something somebody just decided. If it is not the database driving the issue, what is going on?


E.
At 07:30 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote:
Elizabeth,

If you are seriously asking how the database deals with Jr and III, I refuse to elaborate here, see the tip for the answer.

Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Titles


Boy are folks not on this list going to have fun with this distinction. Given Gustavo's concern that the database cannot deal with phd and md, what allows it to deal with JR. and III?
E.
At 07:20 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote:
Elizabeth,

Wrong. Jr. and III distinguish different people where as something like PhD is not given at birth to separate individuals. See Carrie's guidelines for submission fields tip at:

http://jbrownell.com/bks/tip.asp?id=11

for what BookShare has been doing for years. Have some of us repeatedly suggested that this tip should be read? It will tell you what to do to accomidate the database.

Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Titles


Nevertheless, according to Gustavo's message earlier today you are to leave out III and JR. as well as acquired titles such as phd md msw. This is so we can accomodate difficulties in the database.

E.
At 07:11 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote:
Dear Fellow Volunteers,

A thought about which Titles, initials and roman numerals to include in an author or editor's name on the submission or uploading form. If the initials are on the person's birth certificate, they are part of his or her name, Like Jr. or III. M D and Sgt. etc are acquired reflecting status/accomplishments acquired during a lifetime and are supposed to be skipped.

Do you think this method of deciding is sound?

Always with love,

Lissi


----- Original Message ----- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:41 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Gustavo's comments are understandable by all according to Gustavo


Jonna,

Omiting Ph.d or M.D from an author's name is not illegal. I would consider those items as titles as well. They are, technically speaking, descriptors
of the author's status and thus are not required.

Pratik


-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jana Jackson
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:28 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Gustavo's comments are understandable by all
according to Gustavo

Seems to me that a better solution would be to omit the comma that usually
appears before M.D. or Ph.D.  When I think of a title, I think of Mr. or
Mrs. or Dr.  So, yes, that's definitely a comment that is easily
misunderstood.  I would think it would be kind of illegal, too, given the
fact that it's actually part of the author's name. Seems like the complete name of the author would be equally as important as the copyright name, the
inclusion of page breaks, etc.  Anyway, just my 2 cents' worth! <Smile>

Jana

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:27 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Gustavo's comments are understandable by all
according to Gustavo


I believe it has to do with the database and the fact that the database in
its present form will see phd md etc as a actual author.

The engineers are going to be busy particularly as this has been an issue
discussed on this list for over four years.

E.
At 06:45 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote:

I do not understand leaving off MD and PHD. If I am going to read a book about a health problem, say heart disease, I would pay more attention to
one
written by a doctor than I would a lay person or student. I think this is

a
disservice to bookshare.org readers, annoyed though Gustavo may be.
Sue S.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Gustavo's comments are understandable by all
according to Gustavo


I just had a conversation with Gustavo.  He says that other people
understand his comments.  He was surprised I did not understand the
following to mean do not include PHD or MD in author's names.  To his
"title" means MD or PHD.  He seems extremely annoyed to be questioned.
At 12:57 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote:

Stop Being Your Symptoms and Start Being Yourself
Author:
Arthur J. Barsky MD and Emily C. Deans MD

Action: RETURNNEW
Date: 2007-01-02 12:05:04-08
User: gustavo galindo
Please do not include titles in author names. Please use a comma to
separate different
authors.

E.

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