Sorry, guys, I forgot to change the subject line of the below message. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: EVAN REESE To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: quick reminder I agree with you about that. Or, perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I disagree with Steve, but not totally. There is certainly a lot of SF that I find uninteresting, even boring, for many different reasons, not least of which is the fact that so much of it really doesn't take account of how the world is changing at an accelerating rate. However, there is still enjoyable stuff being written. Even some of the stuff that is unrealistic in terms of where I think we are actually headed has interest and enjoyment for me. And I do have a great liking for space opera, which can't really be taken as a serious examination of possible human futures. The heart of his argument seems to have been that SF is dead because people have a more pesimistic outlook on the future than they had when SF was born. It may be true that the general attitude toward the future may be less optimistic than it used to be, but there has been some classic SF written positing very downbeat futures. He cited one of those himself in glowing terms, A Canticle for Leibowitz, so I think he may be contradicting himself a bit. A great deal of the so-called New Wave SF that he praised very highly was pesimistic in nature, and he claims that that NEW Wave "revitalized" SF. So I think it is at least arguable that the attitude of people towards the future is not necessarily relevant to the health of the field. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: quick reminder This was my first experience with one of those conference rooms and I felt lucky that I figured out how to use my microphone so quickly. It was disappointing that Steve Carper had such a dismal outlook for science fiction even to the point of considering it already dead. It is certainly not dead for me. "Philosophers have merely interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it." Karl Marx table with 2 columns and 7 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] quick reminder Date: 3/10/2009 8:11:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: akp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx CC: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, blind-x@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, blindad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ReadingClub4TheBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, scifi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Hi all, Just a quick reminder that the presentation of Steve Carper, the Science Fiction author will be starting in one hour or slightly less. Come one, come all. Ann P. -- AAnn K. Parsons Portal Tutoring Email: akp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web Site: http://www.portaltutoring.info blog: http://www.samobile.net/users/akp Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)