[bksvol-discuss] Re: The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and footnotes
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:41 -0600
Wow! Ouch!! This sounds like a post that woulld have been better sent
directly instead of scourging Noel before the whole list.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donna Goodin
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:11 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and
footnotes
Noel,
I'm sorry, but what are you doing fishing to replace other people's scans?
Three times yesterday I said that I would rectify the problem of the missing
text. I use a document feeder, and while it is generally very reliable, it
does happen that a page can get missed, and that for whatever reason, I don't
catch it when I go through the book. When that happens I am happy to
correct the problem. However, every time I offered to do this, you came
back with an argument as to why you should submit your copy instead. I also
frankly wonder what on earth you are doing downloading scans that have a
rating of excellent, and comparing them line by line to your personal copy.
If you need credits or something, has it never occurred to you to simply
submit a title that hasn't yet been scanned? I would understand your
behavior if my scan had been rated good or fair, but that was not the case.
As to the Italics, I guess I just don't need them to alert me that a pun is
on the way. As we've seen in recent discussions, that is a matter of
personal preference, and I respect your right to have your own opinion.
Also, as a result of those same discussions, in my recent scans, I have
changed my own practices to preserve font attributes so long as they don't
interfere with my ability to proof the text, so that those who share your
opinion can have a copy that includes font attributes. However, Bookshare
currently has no policy regarding font and attribute preservation, so I
hardly see that as grounds for rejecting my scan. Is your next step going
to be to search and replace every bookshare book that doesn't include font
attributes? If so, you've got quite a task in front of you.
As promised, I have submitted a complete copy of the text. My copy was
complete, so I simply inserted blank lines at the top of each page to insure
that the stripper doesn't eat the text again.
Donna
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Noel Romey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:08 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and
footnotes
Donna,
In the bookshare copy that I have, there are no italics, at least Kurzweil
doesn't see any in its daisy copy. Not sure if this is by design as far as
bookshare is concerned, but if Bookshare strips those codes, I don't think
that's a good thing.
Ner
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Donna Goodin <Goodind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Noel,
The itlicxs and all should still bintactg. I do remove them for myself, but
I leave them 9i9n the Bookshare copy. I'll go ahead and resubmit.
Donna
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Noel Romey"<nromey@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: 2/13/08 5:17:52 PM
>To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and
>footnotes
>
>Donna and Cary,
>
>I too have the book. Question to you Donna, did you remove all of the
>bolding and italics and underlining in the book or did bookshare remove
>that. As I read my copy, I'm noticing that italics and emphasis (I've
>finally set emphasis voices on and am noticing how important it is to the
>punnery of this book). Anyway, if you haven't removed it, then it might be
>a good idea to resubmit your copy. Your scan is excellent but there are
>still a few little tiny errors. The Bookshare book of yours does not have
>the emphasis text though. If Bookshare does not remove that text, I have a
>hardcopy of the book too and my scanned version. It's up to you. I guess
>you can submit your copy and then I can submit one with the bso designation
>so that when I'm done the italics can be inserted. I'd say I could finish
>tonight, but I'm trying to get ready to fly tomorrow, and may not get done
>with it until this weekend, and then may not be able to email for a while.
>
>Noel
>
>
>
>On Feb 13, 2008 3:45 PM, Donna Goodin <Goodind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Carrie,
>>
>> I've still got the book and can check it tomorrow morning. Should I
>> resubmit it to the step one page, or what is the best way for me to get
>> you
>> a complete copy of the book?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: "Carrie Karnos"<ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: 2/13/08 11:09:04 AM
>> >To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and
>> footnotes
>> >
>> >Yeah, Noel's right. I checked the page (it's page 15) on amazon.com,
>> >and
>> looked at the same page in the Bookshare copy, and there's a paragraph
>> missing, just as he said. I'll withdraw the book from the collection,
>> and
>> you can submit it again after the missing piece has been added. Noel,
>> are
>> there any other missing paragraphs in the book?
>> >
>> >By the way, Noel, when you copied the text into the email, you managed
>> >to
>> put white text against a white background, which means we sighted people
>> can't see the text unless we highlight it. Luckily the printer ignores
>> the
>> white on white, so I could print out your email and see all of the text.
>> Good trick there! :-)
>> >
>> >Carrie
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----
>> >From: Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:26:02 AM
>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and
>> footnotes
>> >
>> >It's on the top of the second page of chapter 2. In the copy on
>> bookshare (from what I can tell at least( the bottom of the first page,
>> for
>> reference says
>> >to explain the technical possibilities of dippy egg fingers when a copy
>> of The Toad dropped on the mat. The only news story was about some sort
>> of
>> drug-related gang warfare in Reading. It was part of the plot in
>> Caversham
>> Heights and reminded me that sooner or later-and quite possibly sooner-I
>> >
>> >
>> >And then page two of teh chapter begins
>> >
>> >"Sorry," he said sheepishly, apologizing for the misrelated grammatical
>> construction almost immediately, "Wyatt is my name, not the hat's."
>> >"I kind of figured that," I replied.
>> >Wooden and worn with use, he was holding a clipboard. "Oh, bother!" he
>> said in the manner of someone who had just referred to George Eliot as
>> "he"
>> in a room full of English professors. "I've done it again!"
>> >"Really, I don't mind," I repeated. "What can I do for you?" "You're
>> >very
>> kind. As a Character Exchange Program member, I would like to ask you to
>> get
>> yourself into
>> >page
>> >The actual page excerpt should read
>> >
>> >would be expected to take on the mantle of Mary as part of the Character
>> Exchange Program. I had another careful read of the precis, which gave me
>> a
>> good idea of the plot chapter by chapter, but no precise dialogue or
>> indication as to what I should be doing, or when. I didn't have to wonder
>> very long as a knock at the door revealed an untidy man wearing a hat
>> named
>> Wyatt.
>> >"Sorry," he said sheepishly, apologizing for the misrelated grammatical
>> construction almost immediately, "Wyatt is my name, not the hat's."
>> >"I kind of figured that," I replied.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Does this make sense?
>> >
>> >On Feb 13, 2008 7:46 AM, Donna Goodin <goodind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >Noel,
>> >
>> >That was my scan. I went through the whole book and didn't see any
>> missing text. Can you tell me what pages you are talking about that have
>> missing lines?
>> >Thanks,
>> >Donna
>> >
>> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Noel Romey
>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:32 AM
>> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] The Well of Lost Plots missing lines and
>> footnotes
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey guys,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I don't know if it was caused by the stripper or not, but a couple of
>> lines got deleted at the top of one of the pages in The Well of Lost
>> Plots
>> by Jasper Fforde. Oddly enough, I had just scanned the book to submit.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Has this type of thing happened before? Can I also resubmit my edited
>> copy to replace it? I know that it would be ok to do this, but there
>> won't
>> be too many changes (I don't think), so I wanted to ask first.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Also, there are many footnotes in the book that are important to the
>> >flow
>> of the text. Would it be helpful to move these footnotes into the text
>> if I
>> can?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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