[bksvol-discuss] Re: Text Files

  • From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:34:04 -0400

Thank you. That is what I mean by all my talk about not allowing submits of poor quality books.

E.
At 12:31 AM 8/9/2006, you wrote:

Hi Cindy,

I'm making a distinction between fair and poor. I use poor to refer to a book that has unacceptable text quality.

My point is that a poor book someone takes the time to turn into excellent might be viewed from the submitter standpoint as a green light to continue because their scans are the highest rating possible. This has the potential to send more of a 'go ahead' message than does a poor book being fixed up enough to be fair or good. So, partially fixing up a poor book all the way to excellent is a drain of resources, and is encouraging bad submissions quite a bit.

Submitters who submit excellent quality rated fair, and then have it change to excellent will understand that the level of quality they provide is that level, and will hopefully continue to produce that same level.

I'm not advocating that books rated fair be automatically rejected by a validator, I'm asking that poor text quality (poor not fair) be rejected out right. If the book isn't special of course, i.e. it's rare or no matter the scan, it would require extensive work. If you have to work on a standard book to make it fair....why are you doing it? It takes your attention away from processing several other books of higher quality and sends a bad message, too.

Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Text Files


I was under the impression that Fair was the default
rating, and that submitter and/or validator should
change it if they'd worked on the book and it was Good
or Excellent. If the submitter left the rating as Fair
figuring that the  validator would correct it after
validation, when maybe in fact the true rating should
be higher than Fair, then books would be rejected that
actually have a higher quality.

Cindy

--- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Evan,

You may make some good points, but keep in mind,
your ideas were expressed
with the idea that the submitter gets information
back from the automated
rater, which they do not, only validators see those
numbers.

And, since some volunteers are fond of fixing up bad
books into Excellent
ones, if the submitter sees it is excellent, but
doesn't check the file,
they may not realize that it has totally changed.
Therefore they think their
original submission was excellent when it may have
been poor. Hey, this
sounds like a great argument as to why poor books
should be rejected without
crying over them.

Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Text Files


> What is the definition of poor quality? I agree with you that we need to > up the standard, but the first indication of book quality submitters get > is from the automated system. No one answered my question as to how books > are rated by the automated system. Those numbers have to be known, since > they had to be programmed in there in the first place. Whatever those > category assignment cutoffs are, perhaps they need to be notched up a bit > so that submitters get a more accurate rating of low-quality books. But > that notching up will have to go through some kind of process I imagine to > decide what percentage of accuracy constitutes Excellent, what counts as > Good, etc. Clearly, those cutoffs are too low at present. How bad does a > book have to be before it is considered unacceptable by the automated > system? Is there even a contingency for such books? > > Obviously, you and I know poor quality when we see it, but if submitters > get a Fair or even Good rating on submissions, and those ratings are not > changed, then they will continue to submit books that they may very well > think are at least Fair and perhaps even good. If you are the kind of > person who is blas� about scan quality, but when you submit a book it gets > a rating by that system of Fair or even Good, why would you quit doing it? > It is certainly possible that some people are knowingly submitting junk, > but I would venture to guess that there are many who think they are doing > a good job when they are in fact not because the only feedback they get is > from the automated rating system. They don't interact with validators, > and so may not know what kinds of problems they need to work on. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:04 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Text Files > > >> At the same time txt files are eliminated could we also eliminate taking >> books of poor quality? I really think it sends the wrong message to >> those who submit books, to the poor validators and to loyal members who >> pay money to subscribe. We degrade the quality of the whole operation >> truly. >> >> E. >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list >> of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >> >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list > of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 > >

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