Hi Robert!! No, it's the Foreword of the book, not the direction forward. Debby At 03:42 PM 11/6/2009, robert tweedy wrote
So would it be forward ... 9? I am trying this in system access instead of jaws just for fun.----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of ContentsHi Robert! On this line of the table of contents: Foreword .................................. 9 OpenBook 7 reads it as: Foreward, (very quietly reads) 34 periods, 9So that's not the best, so I can understand why we are talking about using an elipsis.Debby At 09:33 AM 11/5/2009, robert tweedy wroteI have jaws set to ignore periods but the question would be how does it sound in a daisy device or with open book or kurzweil? What ever the decision is I will go with. How about spaces between the names of chapters and page numbers or would that be confusing to a blind person reading with speech?----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori" <lori@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of ContentsThen if we are using replace tabs then we do that first and then go back and put in the dots by hand?Lori M----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of ContentsIf this group is making a decision or referring a suggestion to the VAT, then I agree with three dots.Lori C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:05 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of ContentsMy vote is that we use three dots. Chapter 1 ... 1 It's simple, short, and easy to insert. *smile* Blessings. Lynnsky ----- Original Message ----- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:32 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents From a braille reader's perspective, this doesn't look good, especially because people use braille displays of different lengths.Some will have to scroll down one line, or maybe even two, just to get past all those dots. I counted 34 in the first item alone, and 28 in the seconditem. That seems like it would be a bit of a pain for braille readers. I think three dots is plenty. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:03 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of ContentsHi everyone!Here is a table of contents with the dot leaders as I found it. I didn'tinsert anything. How does it look for you sighted readers? How does it come out on a braille display? How does it sound to those who use screen readers? Window-Eyes, at least the way I have it set totally ignores these dot leaders. If I add periods like this on a line: ...... Window-Eyes also ignores them. Here's the table of contents. Contents Foreword .................................. 9 1 Intercession A Way of Life ............................ 13 2 Compassion in Action The Functions of Intercession ............... 26 3 Intensity in Vision The Priorities of Intercession ................ 44 4 Ordered Warfare Establishing Battle Strategies for Intercession .............................. 60 5 Authoritative Intercession Keys to "Fasting" Down Strongholds ........ 76 6 Praying for the Lost (A Week of Intercession) Monday: Six Interrogatives of Intercession .... 89 8 7 Praying for Authorities Tuesday: Invading Areas of Influence ........ 96 8 Praying for Nations Wednesday: Confronting Enemy Strongholds ............................. 105 9 Praying for Laborers Thursday: Co-Workers in the Conflict ....... 114 10 Praying for the Church Friday: Contending for Spiritual Awakening ............................. 12 11 Praying for the Sick and Afflicted Saturday: Biblical Factors for Physical Restoration ............................. 131 12 Praying for the Family Sunday: Prayer Patterns for Healthy Homes ................................. 143 13 Soul Conflict Taking Authority Against Spiritual Darkness ............................... 156 14 Prayer Travelers Mobilizing a Movement of World Prayer Missionaries ............................ 175 Debby At 04:26 PM 11/4/2009, Mayrie ReNae wroteHi Judy and Valerie, Inserting an elipsis between items in a table of contents and their respective page numbers will work. Any more dots than that would be a potential nightmare for those reading with speech. Because in the dot leader format the screen readers might well read "dot dot dot dot dot" etcdepending upon the amount of punctuation each user has spoken. So, if an elipsis would work for sighted readers better than just a space, I'm happyto begin inserting an elipsis instead.Thanks, Valerie, for telling us how we can make things at least a littlemore usable for some folks. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:42 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents I agree with Valerie. It is a torture to figure out tables of contentsvisually with just the single space. I'm perfectly happy with an ellipsisinstead of the space, as an idea. I can't see any way that trying to figuour out how many periods to put in to make the right margin on eachline, as is done with a printed book, will make sense or be anything but a nightmare to do if you're blind. Having an ellipsis in makes it perfectlyreadable for me visually.Golly, I hope I'm making sense. I had some major dental surgery today andwe had to use enough anesthesia to bring an elephant down. So I'm a bit loopy! grin. Judy s. Valerie Maples wrote: > Ideally you should have enough periods so the right margin is even > for> visual scanning of page numbers as a list, but an ellipsis would > be> better than a single space. that is outright torture to find > anything. > > Valerie > > > On 11 04, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote: > >> Hi Debby, >>>> I'd like more commentary from our sighted print disabled readers >> to>> know whether this will be helpful before I change my practises. >> I'm >> happy to change, as you are, but not willing to make a permanent >> change until or unless it is commented upon by more than one >> person. >> >> Vallerie, Doug, Judy, anyone else who is print disabled, but >> sighted >> want to comment on this? >> >> Mayrie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby >> Franson >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:58 AM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents >> >> Hi Mayrie! >> >> Should I insert elipses in the table of contents in "Rebel With a >> Cause"? >> It wouldn't be a bother. >> >> Debby >> >> At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote >>> Hi Melissa, >>> >>> That's a great idea! Let's see if it would work for folks like>>> Valerie's Nichole, since Valerie was the one requesting a >>> change.>>> If it would work, I don't see how it would go against anything >>> bookshare has >> ever said. >>> >>> Mayrie >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>> Melissa>>> Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents >>> >>> I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns about the table of >>> contents. >>> I got to thinking about how Braille books have a series of dots>>> between the chapter title and page number. So, I was wondering >>> if>>> inserting an ellipses between the chapter title and page number >>> would be an appropriate >> solution.>>> An ellipses will be recognized and kept by bookshare's tools, >>> and>>> will give some separation between chapter title and page number >>> for >>> those that need that. It wouldn't be spoken by most screen >>> readers, >>> so wouldn't interfere with anybody's listening pleasure. >>> Finally, since Braille readers are used to the series of dots>>> between chapter title and page number, it wouldn't seem unusual >>> to>>> them either. >>> So, do you think this would be acceptable and not violate any >>> bookshare rules? >>> >>> Melissa >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get >>> a >>> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the >>> subject >> line. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get >>> a >>> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the >>> subject >> line. >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com>>> Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.48/2479 - Release >>> Date:>>> 11/03/09 13:38:00 >> >> >> -->> Enjoy what you have rather than desiring what you don't have. >> Just>> dreaming about nice things is meaningless; it is like chasing the >> wind.--Ecclesiastes >> 6:9 NLT >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get >> a>> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the >> subject line. >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get >> a>> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the >> subject line. >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get > a> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the > subject line. > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a listof available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.50/2481 - Release Date: 11/04/0913:51:00-- Enjoy what you have rather than desiring what you don't have. Just dreaming about nice things is meaningless; it is like chasing the wind.--Ecclesiastes 6:9 NLT To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a listof available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list ofavailable commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/0907:37:00 To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4575 (20091105) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.comTo unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 01:37:00--Enjoy what you have rather than desiring what you don't have. Just dreaming about nice things is meaningless; it is like chasing the wind.--Ecclesiastes 6:9 NLTTo unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2485 - Release Date: 11/06/09 13:39:00
--Enjoy what you have rather than desiring what you don't have. Just dreaming about nice things is meaningless; it is like chasing the wind.--Ecclesiastes 6:9 NLT
To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
