Hi, Debby, I was reading your message and when I came to the Table of
Contents, Jaws would say "dot-dot-dot" and my fingers could read those dots.
I think if one has a book in front of one, those guide dots are expected
when one reads a Table of Contents. When one has a Braille Display, I think
I'd agree with Evan. I think there should be a few dots to indicate one is
reading a Table of Contents page, but since the display has only one line of
Braille one can read at a time, it's kind of boring to contend with a lot of
dots. Maybe four or five would be enough. You want to have more dots than is
in an ellipsis so you can tell them apart (dots for contents page from
ellipsis). I wish to get to the story a little bit faster and a whole bunch
of dots impedes progress. Regards, Kim.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:04 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
Hi everyone!
Here is a table of contents with the dot leaders as I found it. I didn't
insert anything.
How does it look for you sighted readers?
How does it come out on a braille display?
How does it sound to those who use screen readers?
Window-Eyes, at least the way I have it set totally ignores these dot
leaders. If I add periods like this on a line:
......
Window-Eyes also ignores them.
Here's the table of contents.
Contents
Foreword .................................. 9
1 Intercession
A Way of Life ............................ 13
2 Compassion in Action
The Functions of Intercession ............... 26
3 Intensity in Vision
The Priorities of Intercession ................ 44
4 Ordered Warfare
Establishing Battle Strategies for
Intercession .............................. 60
5 Authoritative Intercession
Keys to "Fasting" Down Strongholds ........ 76
6 Praying for the Lost
(A Week of Intercession)
Monday: Six Interrogatives of Intercession .... 89
8
7 Praying for Authorities
Tuesday: Invading Areas of Influence ........ 96
8 Praying for Nations
Wednesday: Confronting Enemy
Strongholds ............................. 105
9 Praying for Laborers
Thursday: Co-Workers in the Conflict ....... 114 10 Praying for the Church
Friday: Contending for Spiritual
Awakening ............................. 12
11 Praying for the Sick and Afflicted
Saturday: Biblical Factors for Physical
Restoration ............................. 131
12 Praying for the Family
Sunday: Prayer Patterns for Healthy
Homes ................................. 143
13 Soul Conflict
Taking Authority Against Spiritual
Darkness ............................... 156
14 Prayer Travelers
Mobilizing a Movement of World Prayer Missionaries
............................ 175
Debby
At 04:26 PM 11/4/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
>Hi Judy and Valerie,
>
> Inserting an elipsis between items in a table of contents and
>their respective page numbers will work. Any more dots than that would
>be a potential nightmare for those reading with speech. Because in the
>dot leader format the screen readers might well read "dot dot dot dot
>dot" etc depending upon the amount of punctuation each user has spoken.
>So, if an elipsis would work for sighted readers better than just a
>space, I'm happy to begin inserting an elipsis instead.
>
>Thanks, Valerie, for telling us how we can make things at least a
>little more usable for some folks.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:42 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
>
>I agree with Valerie. It is a torture to figure out tables of contents
>visually with just the single space. I'm perfectly happy with an
>ellipsis instead of the space, as an idea. I can't see any way that
>trying to figuour out how many periods to put in to make the right
>margin on each line, as is done with a printed book, will make sense or
>be anything but a nightmare to do if you're blind. Having an ellipsis
>in makes it perfectly readable for me visually.
>
>Golly, I hope I'm making sense. I had some major dental surgery today
>and we had to use enough anesthesia to bring an elephant down. So I'm a
bit loopy!
>grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Valerie Maples wrote:
> > Ideally you should have enough periods so the right margin is even
> > for visual scanning of page numbers as a list, but an ellipsis
> > would be better than a single space. that is outright torture to find
anything.
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> > On 11 04, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Debby,
> >>
> >> I'd like more commentary from our sighted print disabled readers to
> >> know whether this will be helpful before I change my practises.
> >> I'm happy to change, as you are, but not willing to make a
> >> permanent change until or unless it is commented upon by more than one
person.
> >>
> >> Vallerie, Doug, Judy, anyone else who is print disabled, but
> >> sighted want to comment on this?
> >>
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby
> >> Franson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:58 AM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
> >>
> >> Hi Mayrie!
> >>
> >> Should I insert elipses in the table of contents in "Rebel With a
Cause"?
> >> It wouldn't be a bother.
> >>
> >> Debby
> >>
> >> At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
> >>> Hi Melissa,
> >>>
> >>> That's a great idea! Let's see if it would work for folks like
> >>> Valerie's Nichole, since Valerie was the one requesting a change.
> >>> If it would work, I don't see how it would go against anything
> >>> bookshare has
> >> ever said.
> >>>
> >>> Mayrie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
> >>> Smith
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents
> >>>
> >>> I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns about the table of
contents.
> >>> I got to thinking about how Braille books have a series of dots
> >>> between the chapter title and page number. So, I was wondering if
> >>> inserting an ellipses between the chapter title and page number
> >>> would be an appropriate
> >> solution.
> >>> An ellipses will be recognized and kept by bookshare's tools, and
> >>> will give some separation between chapter title and page number
> >>> for those that need that. It wouldn't be spoken by most screen
> >>> readers, so wouldn't interfere with anybody's listening pleasure.
> >>> Finally, since Braille readers are used to the series of dots
> >>> between chapter title and page number, it wouldn't seem unusual to
> >>> them
>either.
> >>> So, do you think this would be acceptable and not violate any
> >>> bookshare rules?
> >>>
> >>> Melissa
> >>>
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