Hi Roger, A hard page break is the symbol that you have been encountering that no matter what, will force a new page. A soft page break is inserted by the word processing program when it thinks the text on the given page will have to overflow onto another page if the file is printed. Marilyn gave some good examples of how to eliminate soft page breaks a couple of messages ago. Soft page breaks are a pain because they confuse us as validators, making the page count off from what it would be if only hard page breaks were present in a file, which is as it should be. The soft page breaks will disappear once a book is uploaded to bookshare if you don't remove them. They're just a serious mind bending experience, if you're trying to keep count of the number of page breaks in a book, to make sure that it matches the number of pages that are supposed to be there. Imagine this: The book you are working on has 250 pages, actual pages. But, some pages have a lot more text on them than others, say maybe 80 pages are this way. So, those 80 pages might be considered to have too much text for one page by your word processing software, and it inserts a soft page break in the middle of the page somewhere so that if the file were printed the print would all fit on one page. If you increase the paper size in the menus you can fool the software into not inserting soft page breaks and keep your page count actual instead of having 80 extra pages in the file that occur randomly. Did any of that make sense? In short, soft page breaks are inserted by the word processing software that one is using when it thinks there is too much text to be printed on one piece of paper given the size of paper the software has been told it will be using. If you tell it that you're using really really big paper, then it won't break up your pages. Okay, shutting up now, in case I've just muddied the water really badly instead of helping. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:19 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Soft page breaks What is the difference between a hard page break and a soft page break? In a message dated 7/24/2008 8:57:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx writes: Hi Mary, The number of soft page breaks in a book doesn't matter; it's the number of hard page breaks that does. If your book's number of page breaks is within 10% of the actual number of pages in the book, then it should be approved (assuming everything else is okay). I'm training a replacement for me, since I'm going on a 2-week business trip, but clearly there was some miscommunication between us. Please upload your book and I'll take a look at it. Carrie ----- Original Message ---- From: Mary Stephens <mstephen@xxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:34:55 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Soft page breaks Hello. I need a crash course on soft page breaks. I had a book returned with the following explanation: There are too many soft page breaks. This has nearly doubled page count. Please remove I am using XP Home, with Kurzweil 11. How does one detect soft page breaks, and what is the best way to eliminate them? Thanks much! Mary Stephens. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today <http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> . To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.