[bksvol-discuss] Re: Serious or Sirius?

  • From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:18:04 -0800

Did I really do that? I'm horrified! It is definitely Sirius. The author is Olaf Stapledon. We didn't mention it in the most recent messages because it was mentioned in my first message about orphaned books when NLS and RFB&D change formats.


Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Serious or Sirius?


Well, now, here's another example of homonyms causing
problems, E.  Gary wrote S i r i u s, and I checked to
see if it is already on the Wish List (it isn't). Evan
wrote S e r i o u s. Neither put the author's name. If
I were looking for the book in my library, or on
Amazon, I'd have a little trouble. This has happened
in the past, by the way, when I've looked for books by
title in the library and didn't find them. Then I've
looked under author name and found that the title I
was looking for was incorrect, though spelled the way
it sounded. That was the problem, too, when Ann or
whoever was looking for the Anne of Green Gables books
in the collection.

O.K. I'll stop now. I thinkk I've given enough
examples--probably too many. My apologies. I do tend
to go on and on and on. sigh

G.Cindy

--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No rush. I will be moving in early December anyway,
so it may be mid or late
December before I could validate them in any case.
If they are too damaged,
I'll procure copies from somewhere in January and
work on them. I can get a
used copy of Odd John and Serious from Amazon for
three bucks, so don't put
yourself out if the damage is interfering with a
good scan. I've had good
experiences with buying used books from there, so I
will likely be able to
get a good copy if you can't get a decent scan from
yours.

Yes, as I mentioned, NLS does have Last and First
Men and Last Men in
London, in one volume, and Star Maker. I suppose
they will be orphaned as
well when they move to digital only.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Petraccaro
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 4:49 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books found on other
services


  I have Odd John and Sirius, an Last and First men
and Starmaker.
  I may Not get to them immediately since I have 2
books I'm finishing up.
I'm working on Forgotten Men which needs its
footnotes checked and properly
set up and Power to the People which needs a Name
check (475 names
currently).
  My guess is that I could get to it in the middle
of December.  The books
are old and have been very slightly water damaged.
If they won't scan worth
a damn I'll let you know tomorrow.  Hope this helps.
  .PS NLS did have two books on tape.

----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:38 AM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books found on
other services


    It would be an extraordinary, and unexpected,
piece of good fortune if
you did have these. Whatever you find out, please
send word to:
    mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Whatever the results of your search, thank you
very much for checking.

    Evan


----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Petraccaro
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:37 AM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books found on
other services


      I used to have them.  May still.  I'll check.
----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese
        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:01 AM
        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books found on
other services


        The two books were by Olaf Stapledon, a
British science fiction
writer who had a great influence on Arthur C. Clarke
and Greg Bear among
others. His most well-known works were published in
the 1930's. He is one of
the few authors whose name has become an adjective.
Whenever a reviewer says
that a work is "Stapledonian", many SF readers will
immediately know that
that means it is grand in scope and probably takes
place in the far future
and involves characters - posthumans - people very
different from the ones
around now. Some consider his writing to be rather
dry, but few would
disagree that it is extremely imaginative.

        The one that is available from NLS is Star
Maker and the other book
was Odd John and Sirius - two separate novels, but
published together in the
edition RFB&D had recorded. They did a pretty good
job with both of those
recordings, too. It is sad to know that probably
noone will hear them again.
I wish I had thought to check on them and order the
tapes before it was too
late.

        NLS also has Last and First Men and Last Men
in London, two other
books published in one volume. I wonder if those,
and their version of Star
Maker, will also be orphaned when they stop sending
out cassettes.

        Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Petraccaro
          To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
          Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:17 PM
          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books found
on other services


          Which two?
          Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese
            To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:32 PM
            Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books
found on other services


            There is also another issue: Whenever
NLS changes its formats,
many books
            are left behind - never to be accessible
again. This happened
when they
            stopped sending out records and it will
happen again when they
stop lending
            cassettes. The same thing happened with
RFB&D books on cassette.
I picked up
            a few that were on cassette that are not
yet on CD, but I missed
some too -
            probably some that I haven't thought of
yet. Just last Thursday,
I was
            saddened to discover that I couldn't
find two books I like very
much that
            they recorded years ago on tape that are
now no longer available
because
            they are not on CD. NLS has one of them
on tape, but the other
is not
            accessible anywhere at this time. I hope
to fix that early next
year by
            submitting it to Bookshare.

            With Bookshare books, I would expect
that whatever new file
formats are
            created and adopted, there will likely
always be devices that
can read brf
            files and devices that will read old
versions of Daisy files. Or
even if
            that is not the case, the rtf files that
Bookshare has of all
submitted
            books can be reprocessed into any new
format that comes along.
In short, no
            more orphaned books; or it is to be
hoped, anyway.

            Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner"
<loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:46 PM
            Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books
found on other services


            > Plus, on bookshare, yu can get the
books immediately--no
calling your
            > regional library and waiting for the
book to arrive.
            >
            > Cat Lover Lori
            >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
            > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:33
PM
            > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books
found on other services
            >
            >
            >> Hi,
            >> I favor having books on Bookshare
even if they are
duplicates. One
            >> example
            >> of why is that although a site like
National Braille Press
has them, they
            >> are in grade two braille. That leaves
out some people. NLS
may only have
            >> it
            >> on tape. That leaves out some people.
Bookshare offers books
in both
            >> DAISY
            >> and brf formats. That includes
everyone as far as I can tell.
I wish we
            >> would stop pointing people to other
sites to be honest.
Instead, I feel
            >> we
            >> should get those books and put them
on Bookshare. I wish they
would join
            >> us
            >> and help us. That would centralize
everything.
            >>
            >> Jim
            >>
            >> Thanks.
            >>
            >> Jim
            >>
            >> James D Homme, , Usability
Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
            >> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
412-544-1810
            >>
            >> "Never doubt that a thoughtful group
of committed citizens
can change the
            >> world.  Indeed, it is the only thing
that ever has." --
Margaret Mead
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>             "Dan Beaver"
            >>             <dbeaver888@gmail
            >>             .com>
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            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> Hi all,
            >>
            >> I was thinking about some of the
requests for books that are
found free
            >> on
            >> other services sites.  For example,
Louisa May Alcot's books.
Mnay of
            >> hers
            >>
            >> are free on Project Gutenberg.
            >>
            >> We already have links on Bookshare
that simply point to other
services
            >> sites
            >> for books.  Why can't we do something
similar in this case?
We have
            >> links
            >> that point to N BP for some books
found exclusively over
there.
            >>
            >> Just a brain storm.
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